doncolga
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32 bit plugs in X1 and X2 64 bit
I've made it a point to use 64 bits plugs since X1 I believe. However, I'd like to use more 32 bit since I have some Waves and Universal Audio in that version. Do those run pretty stable in X1 and X2?...is that still BitBridge that handles that?
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robert_e_bone
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Re: 32 bit plugs in X1 and X2 64 bit
2013/08/05 11:54:48
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It is BitBridge in Sonar - I think there is a JBridge out there that may do it better - others can advise on this. I made the choice to limit myself to 64-bit Sonar and 64-bit plugins some time ago, except where absolutely required, and for those situations I use 32-bit Sonar with 32-bit plugins. While a great many folks ARE using some number of 32-bit plugins in 64-bit Sonar, I just don't bother with it at this point, and I have a nicely stable and powerful system that never crashes. Bob Bone
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doncolga
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Re: 32 bit plugs in X1 and X2 64 bit
2013/08/05 14:08:48
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Thanks Bob. I'm going to give JBridge a whirl.
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Re: 32 bit plugs in X1 and X2 64 bit
2013/08/05 14:35:42
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Donny, I'd have to agree with Bob. If you like 32 bit plugs, use Sonar 32. I use 32 religiously on this end because I've had a bit too many problems with bit bridge and my 32 bit plugs. I do not think it is the fault of Sonar....as I have had a few issues with others I use. But whenever Sonar 64 crashes, that teleport server thing is up in task manager. Also, bit bridge doesn't have my presets in the menu window all the time. Some plugs have them, others do not. Using J-Bridge, you get your plug presets all the time...so that's a plus. At the end of the day, I don't use loads of synths to need 64 bit power. I have powerful enough pc's that can run 32 bit without drop-outs, clicks, pops or other performance issues. I don't even need to freeze tracks and honest, I run huge projects over here. But most are audio without large sampling libraries. So if you're like me and have a good pc with a strong processor, Sonar 32 should be fine. If you need the extra power and must use 64, try J-Bridge for your 32 bit plugs. Just beware you *might* see some anomalies from time to time. When I use Sonar 64 with nothing but 64 plugs, it doesn't give me an ounce of trouble. Sometimes 3rd party plugs may mess with me that are 64 bit, but for the most part...Sonar 64 only drives me nuts when using 32 bit plugs...so I just stay away from it. It doesn't always mess with me, but when it does, the first thing that comes to my mind is "why did I use 64?" Another reason I don't use 64 is I have a few old DX plugs that I can't do without which of course would need to be wrapped if I tried to use them in Sonar 64. I definitely don't want to do that...so in 32 I stay for now. I do use 64 from time to time when I need the big sampling libraries at once though. I just stay away from 32 bit plugs...which I've just about updated all of them. You mention waves...they have 64's now so see if you can update. I have about 8-10 plugs that are still 32 that I rely on. I can do without them in some situations...but not in others. Good luck with everything. -Danny
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Re: 32 bit plugs in X1 and X2 64 bit
2013/08/06 11:05:07
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I have to agree that 32-bit is just fine. Luckily, yes, you can have both 32 and 64-bit Sonar versions installed alongside each other, and can JBridge to use 32-bit plugs in 64-bit Sonar. I've been fortunate recently that I've gotten my Waves plug-ins issues worked out where Sonar doesn't crash on them multiple times per session (Wavelab had the same problem), but I've been using 64-Bit Sonar lately without any hiccups aside from V-Vocal. I like using the 64-Bit Transient Shaper from Sonar if I'm doing a mix and the snare is a bit weak in snap. For Wavelab, I'm forced to use 32-Bit since my Flux and Algorithmix plugs are still only 32-bit, and 64-Bit Wavelab doesn't support bit-bridging. I'm told there are plans to re-code those from both companies, but until then, I'm perfectly happy using 32-bit when I need them. Point-being, don't feel like you have to go to 64-Bit just because the industry wants you to. If what you're using works fine in 32-bit, then there's no reason you can't continue, imo.
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Re: 32 bit plugs in X1 and X2 64 bit
2013/08/06 11:34:14
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BitBridge works just fine with many 32b plugins in Sonar x64. Before buying J-Bridge why not start by trying a few 32b plugins in your in x64 projects & see how well they work?
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Re: 32 bit plugs in X1 and X2 64 bit
2013/08/06 11:57:40
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The only real reason to use a 64 bit application is to allow it to access more RAM. That is pretty much it.
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robert_e_bone
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Re: 32 bit plugs in X1 and X2 64 bit
2013/08/06 12:24:40
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Quite correct on the memory access, and also a good point on trying things out with BitBridge prior to laying out cash for JBridge. IF you experience issues with 32-bit plugins using BitBridge in 64-bit Sonar, then you can either: 1. Use a 32-bit Sonar install to deal with 32-bit plugins for the project at hand or for all projects 2. Try out JBridge for the project at hand or for all projects that use 32-bit plugins in 64-bit Sonar 3. Make a choice to rely on 64-bit plugins only for the project at hand or for all projects. My vote is still for opting for using a 32-bit Sonar install when working with 32-bit plugins. Such an arrangement has been rock solid for me, and I believe for Danny as well, but there is nothing at all wrong with using a bridging program to continue to use 32-bit plugins with a 64-bit Sonar installation. Lots of folks do any one, two, or even all three of the above, as well as the set of folks for which BitBridge works too. The only wrong choice I can see is attempting to repeatedly have crashes occur that are caused by some sort of issue using a 32-bit plugin in a 64-bit Sonar install. That's just beating your head for no productive reason, and yet there have been all kinds of threads from folks who for whatever reason keep crashing and building frustration levels, when there are alternatives that work with far more stability. Hope that helps, Bob Bone
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Re: 32 bit plugs in X1 and X2 64 bit
2013/08/06 12:31:58
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robert_e_bone
1. Use a 32-bit Sonar install to deal with 32-bit plugins for the project at hand or for all projects 2. Try out JBridge for the project at hand or for all projects that use 32-bit plugins in 64-bit Sonar 3. Make a choice to rely on 64-bit plugins only for the project at hand or for all projects.
I've been using 32bit X2 on Win7 64. I'd like to try out x64. I don't want to remove 32bit as of right now. Do they co-exist well? I have all the sounds and such on a secondary drive (Sonar is installed to a boot SSD). I'd prefer not to have to duplicate those bits on the 2nd disk. Is that possible? I'd hate to have to rebuild the whole thing if it goes awry (which is what is making me apprehensive about trying x64). thoughts?
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Re: 32 bit plugs in X1 and X2 64 bit
2013/08/06 12:32:11
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Re: 32 bit plugs in X1 and X2 64 bit
2013/08/06 12:39:45
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A FINE question. There is NO need to remove any part of whatever you currently have installed. Just install 64-bit Sonar right alongside of your current 32-bit installation. BOTH are simply programs that live on the same computer at the same time. Even if you crash the beejeebies out of 64-bit Sonar trying out 32-bit plugins with either BitBridge or JBridge, it will not affect any part of your 32-bit Sonar or any of the 32-bit plugins. AND, things may well work fine for you. I suggest installing 64-bit Sonar and trying things out with your 32-bit plugins, using the default BitBridge - and if there are issues with stability, then move to one of the three options I put forth in my earlier post. 64-bit Sonar will install to the Program Files folder, and your 32-bit Sonar is installed in the Program Files (x86) folder. I have used both 32 and 64 bit versions of Sonar for years, at the same time. Bob Bone
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Re: 32 bit plugs in X1 and X2 64 bit
2013/08/06 13:08:51
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Personally, the bridging part of the 32-bit from 64-bit is that on my machine, I lose some CPU resources for the actual bridging, and this is a 4/8 Core/Thread iCore7 CPU. Normally, in 32-Bit Sonar, I can mix 40-50 tracks, each with up to 3-4 plug-ins (if necessary, including Console emulation) and not flinch. Using 64-Bit Sonar with bit-bridging I can only mix about 20 tracks before drop-outs become a serious issue. That's something I have found that made me keep 32-Bit Sonar installed.
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Re: 32 bit plugs in X1 and X2 64 bit
2013/08/06 14:08:58
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Make a system image first so you can roll back if it goes wrong
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Re: 32 bit plugs in X1 and X2 64 bit
2013/08/06 22:17:05
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jBridge can also be used to run 64-bit plug-ins in 32-bit Sonar, besides running 32-bit plug-ins in 64-bit Sonar like Bitbridge (and can also bridge between 32-bit plug-ins and 32-bit Sonar.) Vienna Enemble Pro also offers such functionality, both on the same system or on a remote system, albeit at substantially higher cost (but with substantially more features) than jBridge. That said, there are plenty of buggy plug-ins out there (both 32-bit and 64-bit) so... ymmv
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