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2013/08/10 17:35:04 (permalink)

So long...

Dimension Pro
Rapture
 
and, unless ST3 is released very very soon

SampleTank
SampleMoog
SampleTron
Miroslav
Sonik Synth
 
As a first step in order to move up to Logic X, which only supports 64 Bit plug-ins, and in order to upgrade Cubase as well and eventually, maybe Pro Tools, I first need to upgrade my OS.
 
I hate to lose Dimension and Rapture but considering that the last supported OS was Snow Leopard (2009) and that there's been 2 major OS upgrades since - and another one coming this fall - I don't think Cakewalk will ever upgrade them. It's a shame really because Cakewalk had a couple of very awesome synths on their hands...
 
I do have strange feelings about Cakewalk these days, and the way they conduct business. Without necessarily being negative, I can't say that I'm all that positive. It's a strange moment. And since they won't even speak of their flagship product, there's no way I can imagine them saying that they're about to discontinue those synths - especially when they're putting them on sale every month...
 
Ironically, the one company I used to be so vocal about and warn people against, Steinberg, has just released an update for Cubase 6.5. That's right, they've released an update for 6.5 months after 7 came out. They really seem to have revamped their act.
 
Hopefully, Cake will emerge of this transition period shining.
 
 

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    craigfowler
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    Re: So long... 2013/08/10 22:22:32 (permalink)
    Jeez, Rain, I thought you were abandoning ship!
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    Rain
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    Re: So long... 2013/08/10 22:32:26 (permalink)
    Never. :)
     
    But being saying farewell to Dimension and Rapture definitely marks the end of an era. They were among my favorite tools, even after I moved to Mac.

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    John
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    Re: So long... 2013/08/11 07:02:09 (permalink)
    Why do you have to forgo those synths? Why would a change in OS cause a plugin problem?  
     
    For example FX 3 sound stage was out with win 98 and still works on Windows 8. 
     
     

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    Re: So long... 2013/08/11 07:58:57 (permalink)
    John,
     Thanks for giving the forum first crack at helping you with your questions.
     
     Read post number 1 and get back to us if you are still confused.
     
     
     
     
     You may refer to these pages to confirm Rain's observation about OS compatibility:
     
     http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/DimensionPro/feature.aspx/Dimension-Pro-System-Requirements
     
     http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/Rapture/feature.aspx/Rapture-System-Requirements
     
     OSX Lion came out back in July 20, 2011.
     
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    Re: So long... 2013/08/11 12:00:24 (permalink)
     Not sure of the success rate with VST instruments but I guess there is already a way for you to bridge for free http://www.macprovideo.com/hub/logic-pro/how-to-run-32-bit-plug-ins-in-logic-pro-x

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    Re: So long... 2013/08/11 13:44:58 (permalink)
    Can't you still use jBridge in Logic 64bit?
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    Re: So long... 2013/08/12 02:35:29 (permalink)
    We all love our favorite tools, but; it's more important to be a carpenter, than to have your favorite hammer...
     
    I've been working on some sax parts "for months?" Between we and my collaborator? What he wants, what I did, etc... It's more about your creativity IMO that it is the tools. The PITA is trying to learn new tools the way you understood the one's you loved. Like if I lost access to my sax plugs? It would suck pretty hard and loud, but I would have to move on.
     
    http://www.samplemodeling.com/en/products.php
     
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    post edited by The Band19 - 2013/08/12 02:40:04

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    Rain
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    Re: So long... 2013/08/12 03:11:03 (permalink)
    Thanks for chiming in guys. Unfortunately it isn't only a matter of bridging the plug-in - the OS itself isn't supported and the plug-ins simply won't install - tough I think that some people managed to work around that.
     
    I'm not a big fan of workarounds and bridges and anything that's not officially working and supported. If I trusted that Cakewalk was going to update both plug-ins and support newer OS, it might be different (though I doubt it). But it doesn't really look like it.

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    Re: So long... 2013/08/12 11:44:07 (permalink)
    Rain
    Thanks for chiming in guys. Unfortunately it isn't only a matter of bridging the plug-in - the OS itself isn't supported and the plug-ins simply won't install - tough I think that some people managed to work around that.
     
    I'm not a big fan of workarounds and bridges and anything that's not officially working and supported. If I trusted that Cakewalk was going to update both plug-ins and support newer OS, it might be different (though I doubt it). But it doesn't really look like it.


    It's really sad and indicative of what I see as Cakewalk's problem that Rene left and instrument development stopped.  They never seem to stay on a path and develop things.  They introduce them and move on.  
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    Re: So long... 2013/08/12 17:37:17 (permalink)
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    John,
     Thanks for giving the forum first crack at helping you with your questions.
     
     Read post number 1 and get back to us if you are still confused.
     
     
     
     
     You may refer to these pages to confirm Rain's observation about OS compatibility:
     
     http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/DimensionPro/feature.aspx/Dimension-Pro-System-Requirements
     
     http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/Rapture/feature.aspx/Rapture-System-Requirements
     
     OSX Lion came out back in July 20, 2011.
     
    best regards,
    mike


    Confused? where did I say I was confused? What I was pointing out was Windows doesn't seem to have this problem. But maybe that went over your head. 

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    Re: So long... 2013/08/12 18:08:40 (permalink)
    John™, your toilet swirl logic rarely rises above the mid drift.
     
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    Re: So long... 2013/08/12 19:15:34 (permalink)
    There are ways to keep using some of your favourite synths and this is one approach I use. It is based on the idea of having a separate computer setup running the OS, and plugins that enable the use of that/those instrument/s.
     
    I have two auxilary computers doing this for me currently. All you need is midi and audio connection between this extra machine and your main machine. A little fiddly to setup but it works perfectly and it is the same as having the instrument inside your main DAW. It is simple as selecting a track routed out to that instrument. All you need at the other end is some sort of host that does not do any sequencing but hosts Rapture or Dimension and just plays all its sounds as per normal. The sound libraries just need to be installed on the internal drive on the remote computer for easy access. As you don't always use these extra instruments, you don't have to turn that computer on all the time either.
     
    I have digital audio as well as analog audio between the machine and the digital connection sounds excellent. There is no latency either playing these instruments from my main computer and controller.
     
    You just print the midi performances coming live off those VST's into audio just before mixdown and then you don't run them again. The entire session on the aux or remote computer can be saved in one hit for instant recall into the setup later with the VST inserted, patch loaded and mixed and processed by effects. I often add the reverbs and things right back at the synth level for some extra colour.
    post edited by Jeff Evans - 2013/08/12 19:18:37

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    Re: So long... 2013/08/12 19:36:14 (permalink)
    I think I'd rather just enjoy having everything ITB  but it seems like Jeff's idea would work great with an older Mac mini.
     
    It would make a great little freestanding synth box.
     
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    Re: So long... 2013/08/12 20:00:01 (permalink)
    I've done exactly what Jeff is suggesting.  It works pretty.  My E-mu Emulator software runs on WinXP.  So I keep one PC set up for that.  

    Should auld acquaintance be forgot--hey, who the hell are you guys?  
     
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    Re: So long... 2013/08/12 20:30:38 (permalink)
    A bit pricey but this looks like an option to have that cake and eat it too  http://www.viennaensemblepro.com/
     
     Network-compatible, cross platform mixing

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    Re: So long... 2013/08/12 21:06:08 (permalink)
    ohgrant
    A bit pricey but this looks like an option to have that cake and eat it too  http://www.viennaensemblepro.com/
     
     Network-compatible, cross platform mixing



    I started working with VEP a few months ago & one it's strengths is that it takes a noticeable cpu load off your daw software & improves overall performance. ( especially helpful in X2 )

    I split duties & mix all my orchestral in VEP & synths in X2 / Cubase. It has great mixing flexibility, I use the standard 32 channels in+out per 8 instances each. You can route back into VEP from you daw too.
    It goes on special every so often, sometimes bundled with either MIR 24 or full.
    post edited by carl - 2013/08/14 09:57:51
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    Re: So long... 2013/08/13 12:57:16 (permalink)
    Hmmmmmm... not compatible with Lion or Mountain Lion...? That's actually odd if you ask me. Rapture in particular is one awesome synth! And DimPro as well, even though it's expansion packs could be a little more interesting. Why won't they update them to support Apple's latest OS? If it was my company, I'd really want the Apple crowd to keep buying into these excellent instruments. Don't like the sound of this. When did Lion come out? Two, three years ago? Peculiar...

    BTW Rain, looking forward to hear your judgement on Logic Pro X. I'm holding off until I hear what you think of it

    BTW AGAIN: z3ta+2 is compatible with the newer Mac OS so it can't be because they don't know how to program for Lion or Mountain Lion.... this adds to the mystery, right?
    post edited by ProjectM - 2013/08/13 13:09:22

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    Rain
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    Re: So long... 2013/08/13 16:24:49 (permalink)
    I had considered the dedicated computer at some point in the past but I'm not sure it's something I want to do - though I can see how it might be an interesting option for many folks. More and more I'm trying to streamline things, to keep 3rd party stuff to a minimum and such.
     
    If I integrated a second computer, I'd probably prefer to give Logic Nodes (distributed processing) a try than to waste it to run two incompatible synths. Or I'd run MainStage on it as a host. 
     
    Maybe things would be different if it were a plug-in that's crucial to my workflow, like EZ/Superior Drummer, and if I knew that an update was in the work. But as much as I love Rapture and Dimension, I guess that I can and will have to replace them. Apparently, Cakewalk doesn't care much if I do. We're not talking about 6 months behind in their support of an OS - Lion was released 2 years ago.
     
    As for SampleTank and the others, I guess we may meet again in a not so distant future...
     
    My initial post was actually pretty pointless. I am not really looking for a temporary solution or a workaround; I'm annoyed and disappointed that Cakewalk doesn't simply support any newer OS, doesn't communicate their plan if they have any. That can only leave me guessing and as a result, I can't be too optimistic about Rapture and Dimension Pro.
     

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    Re: So long... 2013/08/13 16:26:20 (permalink)
    ProjectM

    BTW Rain, looking forward to hear your judgement on Logic Pro X. I'm holding off until I hear what you think of it

    BTW AGAIN: z3ta+2 is compatible with the newer Mac OS so it can't be because they don't know how to program for Lion or Mountain Lion.... this adds to the mystery, right?



    I'm guessing this won't be before sometime in September because we have a few weeks off coming up. But I'll keep you posted. ;)

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    Re: So long... 2013/08/13 19:44:31 (permalink)
    Cool! I'm looking at an October gift for myself when the royalties are paid out so I'll be keeping a keen eye out for your report before that;)

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