Sidechain with sonitus gate

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2013/08/14 04:43:30 (permalink)

Sidechain with sonitus gate

Hallo everybody,
i'm running sonarX2 producer trail on my laptop.
I would like to use the sidechain input of the gate fx from sonitus. In audio track one i load the gate in the fx bin. After i chose the other audio track to put a new send to the sidechain input of the gate in it. But in the popup there is no option for the sidechain input.
What i do wrong? Anybody have an answer?
 
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    Re: Sidechain with sonitus gate 2013/08/14 08:06:06 (permalink)
    Not sure what the problem may be other than perhaps the sidechains are disabled in the trial version?  Here's all that needs to be done:
     
    1. Create Audio Track 1.
    2. Create Audio Track 2.
    3. Drop Sonitus:FX Gate into FX Bin of Audio Track 1.
    4. On Audio Track 2, create new Send and choose "Sonitus:FX Gate(side input)-Audio Track 1" from the drop down.
     
    Try dropping an instance of Sonitus:FX Compressor and doing the same. Is the sidechain available for that plugin? If not, then I would say the trial versions are limited. Hopefully some version of sidechain is available...so try doing so on to an instance of the PC4K S-Type bus compressor with the sidechain switch turned on.
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    Re: Sidechain with sonitus gate 2013/08/14 11:13:40 (permalink)
    Yo folks. Absolutely don't know what is wrong.
    Now i download the trial of CA 2A. With this one there is no problem. the sidechain works fine. So i can do what i want the sonitusfx gate or comp doesn't give me an sc input.
    What's the next step??
     
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    Re: Sidechain with sonitus gate 2013/08/14 16:41:57 (permalink)
    ^^^
    The solution, by default, is that you may not have the capability in the trial to do side chain on the Sonitus stuff. Have you tried using the side chain on the PC4K bus compressor module? It's the ProChannel module with an available side chain. Change (right-click then "replace") the PC76 compressor to a PC4K S-Type and see what happens.
     
    Did you have any other version of Sonar installed previously?  If so, then perhaps you have some registry tidbits, or shared application stuff, from another install that are interfering with the newly installed versions of the same software.
    post edited by 2:43AM - 2013/08/14 16:51:32
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    Re: Sidechain with sonitus gate 2013/08/15 02:43:42 (permalink)
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    ...you may not have the capability in the trial to do side chain on the Sonitus stuff.

     
    I suspect that the plugin bundle that gets included with trial versions of Sonar has not been updated since before sidechaining was first introduced.

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    Re: Sidechain with sonitus gate 2013/08/15 03:35:04 (permalink)
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    ^^^
    Have you tried using the side chain on the PC4K bus compressor module? It's the ProChannel module with an available side chain. Change (right-click then "replace") the PC76 compressor to a PC4K S-Type and see what happens.




    Yes i tried the PC4K and here works the sc very fine just as the CA2A wich works very well to.
    In the trial of Sonar aren't any plugins of sonitus. I bought the plugins one month ago. It was an special offer in the download shop of cakewalk. 
    Strange is that i got a LE version of sonar. It's the version 8.5.1. In this version the sc of CA2A works very good too.
     
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    Re: Sidechain with sonitus gate 2013/08/17 02:54:36 (permalink)
    Hi there,
    anybody got a solution? Because the problem's unfortunately not solved.
    Or must i accept that there are no sidechain inputs?
     
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    Re: Sidechain with sonitus gate 2013/08/17 10:24:58 (permalink)
    Sidechain works great on the Sonitus Gate here under 8.5.
     
    I suppose it's possible, as suggested by Kev999, that you've somehow got an older version of SonitusFXGate.dll. The suite has been around since c. 2001 so there have been a number of revisions over the years.
     
    The sidechain feature was introduced in SONAR 7, but some users had difficulty at the time due to a change in the versioning that prevented the new Sonitus plugs from installing over the old ones, resulting in no sidechain input. We had to delete the DLLs and re-install to get the sidechain.
     
    Go to \program files\cakewalk\shared plugins and check the version number on SonitusFXGate.dll. According to my notes, version 3.3.3.372 was the latest shipped with 8.5 (a later version shipped with X1 and had a memory leak, so I backrevved to the .372 version and it works fine - I don't know what version ships with X2).


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    Re: Sidechain with sonitus gate 2013/08/17 19:29:52 (permalink)
    Yep, I'm with Bitflipper on this one as the Sidechain works great with the Sonitus Gate on 8.5 Pro for me too!  In fact, it has a ducking pre-set which can be modified & it works so well with less overhead than using a Compressor, that I use it all the time to get that ducking effect as it's really easy to see & modify exactly the envelope that you need for that pumping effect.
     
    Must be your set-up or the trial version as it's not unusual for trial versions to have features disabled.
     
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    Re: Sidechain with sonitus gate 2013/08/18 03:33:33 (permalink)
    Hi there,
    @ Bitflipper,
    i bought the FX suite separate at the online shop of cakewalk. It was an special offer. So if i got a older version from where to get the newest? Or must i contact the support?
    Here is a link with a picture of the version number.

     
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    Re: Sidechain with sonitus gate 2013/08/18 05:45:28 (permalink)
    Hi there,
    @ Bitflipper,
    i bought the FX suite separate at the online shop of cakewalk. It was an special offer. So if i got a older version from where to get the newest? Or must i contact the support?
    Here is a link with a picture of the version number.

     
    Bye, Tomas
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    Re: Sidechain with sonitus gate 2013/08/18 07:37:19 (permalink)
    Oh now i see that the link of the picture is not to show.
     
    So the fileversion number is: 3.3.1.0
    and the produktversion number is: 3.3.0.1
     
    sorry.
     
     
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    Re: Sidechain with sonitus gate 2013/08/18 08:55:17 (permalink)
    This is weird! How about this?
     
    Do you know how to scan your VST folder(s) and also organize them using custom lists? If so, then I would 1) make sure all your VST folder(s) are "pointed to" and scanned, including the Sonitus:FX Suite folder which may be separate than Sonar's defaults--set this up in Preferences; 2) manually re-scan the folders(s) in Preferences or use the little, downward-pointing arrow on the top of the Browser [this is important in subsequent steps]; 3) Within the menus of that little arrow, create a new custom list for audio-FX plugins by selecting "Manage Layouts"...within the utility window, find the Sonitus:FX Suite plugins and add them into the list; 4) Save the list; 5) in the Browser first go to Default All Plug-Ins then choose your new, custom list; 6) Try the Sonitus:FX Gate or Comp.
     
    Hope that works!
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    Re: Sidechain with sonitus gate 2013/08/18 16:11:52 (permalink)
    These plugins are DX rather than VST.
     
    No, wait. The version available from the CW store is apparently both DX and VST.
     
    http://www.store.cakewalk...ductid=36-CWSF3.31-10E

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    Re: Sidechain with sonitus gate 2013/08/19 02:17:25 (permalink)
    O.k.,
    at first thanks for your help. The problem is not removed. Maybe this feature is disabled in this version because it was an offer for 19,99€ at the online shop of CW ??
    I will mail CW support and ask them whats going on. If this is not normaly mayby they give me another install package.
    Thanks.
     
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    Re: Sidechain with sonitus gate 2013/08/19 08:00:27 (permalink)
    I'm curious.  Do these plugins show up as both DX as VST effects in Plugin Manager?
     

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    Re: Sidechain with sonitus gate 2013/08/19 12:58:50 (permalink)
    Plugins are showen as DX and VST. I can realy do what i want i don't become a sidechain input.
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    Re: Sidechain with sonitus gate 2013/08/19 18:04:40 (permalink)
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    Plugins are showen as DX and VST...

     
    Which version of the Sonitus Gate did you insert into your project, DX or VST?  Try inserting the other one and see if you get the same result.

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    Re: Sidechain with sonitus gate 2013/08/20 10:57:42 (permalink)
    Yes Kev,
    i try both versions in a project with the same result. No sc inputs.
    Don't know what do. 
    Mayby changes in the regestry???
     
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    Re: Sidechain with sonitus gate 2013/08/20 19:33:49 (permalink)
    That version (3.3.1) predates the addition of sidechain support. That's why you have no sidechain capability. If you buy X2 you should get a newer version that does support sidechaining.


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