How do you make Tonal Drums in Sonar

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August 17, 13 0:10 PM (permalink)

How do you make Tonal Drums in Sonar

basically I wanna do whats in this link but in Sonar X2. I also have the Komplete 7 NI suite
 

 
 
Can anyone Help me get started.
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    sharke
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    Re: How do you make Tonal Drums in Sonar August 17, 13 0:14 PM (permalink)
    What are tonal drums? Your link is missing.

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    Re: How do you make Tonal Drums in Sonar August 17, 13 0:26 PM (permalink)
    well basically I want to take a 808 bass drum and be able to play actual notes with my midi keyboard and have it play on key with the music
     
    I guess this sight doesn't allow youtube links
     
     
    Youtube  how to create a tuned 808 drum in ______________ are we allowed to mention competitor products in this forum
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    Re: How do you make Tonal Drums in Sonar August 17, 13 0:34 PM (permalink)
    Is tonal drums a library in Kontakt?  It should be set up already.  Is the 808 kick tuned (ie., tonal)?  Most drum libraries are set up w/ one drum on the lower keyboard, but a tuned drum will probably play across a small spectrum of keys - maybe an octave.  So you have to make sure you are playing the right key to produce a sound.  Kontakt shows you on the virtual keyboard where "hits" are.  If it is a different program, I don't know how to find it except picking on the keys.
     
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    Re: How do you make Tonal Drums in Sonar August 17, 13 0:43 PM (permalink)
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    Is tonal drums a library in Kontakt?  It should be set up already.  Is the 808 kick tuned (ie., tonal)?  Most drum libraries are set up w/ one drum on the lower keyboard, but a tuned drum will probably play across a small spectrum of keys - maybe an octave.  So you have to make sure you are playing the right key to produce a sound.  Kontakt shows you on the virtual keyboard where "hits" are.  If it is a different program, I don't know how to find it except picking on the keys.
     
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    no it's not. I'm new to this so maybe i'm not using the correct terms. I watched a youtube video called How to create a tuned 808 drum in Albetion live.  I want to do that exact same thing in Sonar X2 but don't know how.
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    Re: How do you make Tonal Drums in Sonar August 17, 13 1:16 AM (permalink)
    Sounds like the easiest way to do this would be to use Battery (you should have that if you have Komplete).
     
    1) Just drag the 808 sample into a cell
    2) In the "Cell" tab, map the cell to a MIDI key by using the "learn" button in the "KeyRange" section. Just press learn, then press the key on your keyboard a couple of times.
    3) To the right of this, there is a tuning knob. You can tune the drum to whatever note you want. 
     
    Then repeat the above with the same sample in other cells. You should have a tuned bass drum across as many keys as you like. 

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    Re: How do you make Tonal Drums in Sonar August 17, 13 1:40 AM (permalink)
    I was going to basically reply the same as Sharke.  There's even an 'Ate Oh Wait' kit in Battery 3 that you can use just for this!
     
    Also, check out Roland GrooveSynth.  It actually has the original 808 samples.
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    Re: How do you make Tonal Drums in Sonar August 17, 13 11:29 AM (permalink)
    I will give this a try today. Thanks for the info.  I have original 808 sounds on my Xp-30 drums N bass expansion card
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    Re: How do you make Tonal Drums in Sonar August 17, 13 9:28 PM (permalink)
    Rather than mess about with samples, I'd replicate how the 808 and similar machines synthesised their kicks in the first place.
     
    Basically a sine wave overlaid with a single "needle" pulse (to give a bit of impact) followed by slight pitch modulation.
     
    Any synth with a resonant filter. A 24dB/octave (4 pole) Moogish one should do nicely.
     
    Set filter to a bass-drum kind of frequency then crank the resonance until it oscillates when played. This will give a sine wave that is the drum's "boom".
     
    One or more oscillators, set to square wave with a narrow pulse width at bass drum kinds of frequency, maybe one oscillator set around the 1-3K area mixed in.
     
    Filter envelope should be pretty much zero attack (let's the higher oscillator through to provide "beater click"), a short and steep decay to a lower sustain (this kills most of the square wave's higher frquency components and then provides the drum "body"), zero release. Amplitude envelope very fast attack, decay to zero over however long you want the drum to sound.
     
    Modulate pitch/filter frequency during the note a little as well if you want - it should fall slightly.
     
    Then distort/compress/layer as seems right.

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    Re: How do you make Tonal Drums in Sonar August 17, 13 9:28 PM (permalink)
    Duplicate post - forum software glitch.

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    Re: How do you make Tonal Drums in Sonar August 17, 13 10:08 PM (permalink)
    First if its a drum kit such as the XP 30 808 kit or any MIDI drum kit it based on one note pitch equals one drum type.  C = kick D = tom and so on. So if you want to raise the pitch of the 808 kick for example you can't by going to a higher pitch note. You will change only the type.
     
    What was offered above are ways for you to make your own sounds. You could see about sound fonts. Or you could buy a kit with ethnic drums. East Indian drums have some variable pitch drums. An 808 kit is modeled after an acoustic kit with limited pitch variability.   

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    Re: How do you make Tonal Drums in Sonar August 18, 13 1:42 PM (permalink)
    How about loading the bass drum sample into DropZone? 
    Edit: Actually Drop Zone has some drum samples in it. Should be pretty easy to do. 

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