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Floyd organ?

Hey guys, I'm looking for a nice Pink Floyd type organ for background chords.  Is there a preset in one of the SONAR X2 prepackaged soft synths that you can point me to?  Something specific in Dimension Pro for instance?
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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/08/22 12:27:47 (permalink)
    Which floyd organs?  They used just about everything at one time or another.
     
    Rapture has a lot more organs than DimPro.  I don't think it is still  on sale, but for $19 it is a solution.  That's why it was a no-brainer if you don't use synths.  I'm using organ 5 preset for a track right now, tho I made it wheezier w/ some pitch and rez lfo.  And the Jimmy preset is very useful, tho maybe not so much for floyd.
     
    In DimPro, I'm not really sure what I'd use, but as I recall there are some organish Pads more than the Key presets.
     
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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/08/22 13:34:38 (permalink)
    In the very early days of Pink they used the Farfisa organ. You can find a free vst version of this organ thru a search. I don't for the life of me remember the web page but they have both a free version of the Farfisa and the Vox Continental that are not bad at all.

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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/08/22 13:36:28 (permalink)

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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/08/22 14:15:04 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info.  I'll check those out.

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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/08/22 14:21:54 (permalink)
    Hmmm...double post.

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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/08/22 14:58:56 (permalink)
    Wow, I just discovered this little treasure.  Check out the .pdf file in this link:
     
     http://echoesofpinkfloyd.wordpress.com/2009/05/23/cool-pdf-describing-richard-wrights-gear-setup/

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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/08/22 18:25:58 (permalink)
    Even better is this, a free VST that does that very nice organ sound on 'Crazy Diamonds' would you believe.
     
    http://untermkittel.de/rumpelrausch/?PLUGINS
     
    It sounds like a nice organ sound with a nice slow Leslie thing going on. (great stereo too) It works very nicely. I am on a 32 Bit system and it works fine there but you may have to adapt if you are on 64 bit.
     
    Richard Wright (Bless his Soul) was a bit of a later Kurzweil fan too. I loved all his playing. Very nice, underrated and very tasteful.
     
    I have used this VST in some pop productions (more ballad) and the organ sound always sits nicely with a nice mix.
     
    Update: I have been fiddling around with it and it is really a great slow setting (Chorale) Leslie sort of sound. It is basically one sound but you can change a lot about how it is modulated. 'Butter' and 'Cream' settings are quite different. The 'Milk' setting allows for a lot of initial starting options. Very nice slow moving Leslie effects can be heard. Put a classy longish reverb on it and it can sound even better. It is great when you modulate it further with things like 'Dimension D'
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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/08/23 09:03:47 (permalink)
    I listened to the demo and it sounds very much like what I'm after.  I have not installed it yet but, I downloaded the zip and found that it contains documentation files as well as a single .dll.  I assume I need to put the .dll into my vst plugin directory and have SONAR scan for it...correct? 

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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/08/23 10:00:37 (permalink)
    Yes, the best kind of installer there is, a simple copy of the dll into your VST scan path. I like to create separate directories by vendor in the Vstplugins directory so I do not have one huge directory of dll's but it is not necessary.
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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/08/23 11:21:36 (permalink)
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    Yes, the best kind of installer there is, a simple copy of the dll into your VST scan path. I like to create separate directories by vendor in the Vstplugins directory so I do not have one huge directory of dll's but it is not necessary.




    Great...thanks!

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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/08/23 19:26:51 (permalink)
    Yes it is a pretty simple install and it seems to work. This thread has got me into it again. It is so easy to forget what VST's you actaully have at times. This organ is a classic slow moving dreamy sounding patch and it is great for that background type things continuously playing. Chords just changing slowly one or two notes at a time.
     
    The 'Milk' settings open up the sound a bit more and think of it as the starting sound you might be after. 'Butter' and 'Cream' setting up and creating the modulating part of the sound. Make sure you try 'Butter' (Phasor) in the stereo position too. Important! 'Cream' is just in the zone straight away. (6 delays, it ought to be!)
     
    Check out the users manual inside the Documentaion folder. (z_doc) It explains a few things more. You will realise its versatility once you read that document.
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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/08/24 18:39:18 (permalink)
    Hi Jeff, that VST can be a bit buggy, depending on your set up. It crashes my system. It is after all 10 years old. On thinking about it though, I might still be using the same version from 10 years ago.

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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/08/24 18:49:05 (permalink)
    Hi Ben nice to hear from you. Yes according to the history doc the last one is v1.9 and there were some serious issues before that version reading that doc. I have just checked and mine is at 1.9 too. I certainly have not had an issue (with Studio One anyway)  The basic organ sound is OK but variable according to the modulation settings you may be using in 'Butter' or 'Cream'

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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/08/24 19:52:09 (permalink)
    OK, I got it installed and I'm really dig'n this plugin.  Nice dreamy Floyd sound with a tad of uneasiness about it.  Thanks for the tip.
     
    What about a general organ soft synth package...any good ones to recommend?
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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/08/25 11:52:36 (permalink)
    What about a general organ soft synth package...any good ones to recommend?

     
    One cool source that people tend to overlook is Dimension Pro's Virtual B3 subfolder (buried under Organs in the free Expansion Pack 1).  All of DP's controls are converted to drawbars, Leslie speakers, percussive attack, etc.  All of the sounds are generated from a sine wav and click file.  An external Leslie effect can enhance these programs.
     
    There was a descriptive image of the Virtual B3 control layout floating around this forum.  I can't seem to find it here or in my backups.  (Notice how all of the front panel controls are both enabled and grayed out.)  The 'virtual b3.sfz' file serves as the basis for all of the program files [96 - Virtual B3 folder under Multisamples].
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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/08/26 12:31:10 (permalink)
    While this does not answer you question directly its a useful and intersting resource as it list which keyboards Richard used throughout his career. http://sparebricks.fika.org/sbzine28/WrightGear-rev156.pdf
     
    Typically early Floyd will be Farifisa transistor organs, later Hammond B3/C3 so it very much depends on the era.
     
    If you want to cover all the bases with organ sounds Native Instruments Vintage Organs covers Vox, Farfisa and a Hammonds pretty well. (The older discontinued B4 II was arguably better). For just Hammond B3 , GSI VB3 takes a lot of beating, its much better at the gritty end of the sound range. There is also a free, earlier and more basic version called Organized Trio in this pack.
     
    Carazy Diamonds is more of a ARP Solina string ensemble emulator that a organ IMHO, of course that Solina sound was used to great effect on Shine on you Crazy Diamond
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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/08/26 12:40:31 (permalink)
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    One cool source that people tend to overlook is Dimension Pro's Virtual B3 subfolder (buried under Organs in the free Expansion Pack 1).  All of DP's controls are converted to drawbars, Leslie speakers, percussive attack, etc.  All of the sounds are generated from a sine wav and click file.  An external Leslie effect can enhance these programs.
     
    There was a descriptive image of the Virtual B3 control layout floating around this forum.  I can't seem to find it here or in my backups. 


     Yes this is good. Unfortunatly I cannot find the documentation on the controls either. It need an amp sim too if you want gritty hammond sounds.

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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/08/26 14:37:45 (permalink)
    The overloud key package is pretty good for that.  Both preamp and speaker - along w/ the usual suspects.  No rotary, tho :-(
     
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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/08/26 14:48:17 (permalink)
    Too bad no one saved the DimPro Virtual B3 writeup from sonarama. Sure could use it now.
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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/08/26 15:19:59 (permalink)
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    What about a general organ soft synth package...any good ones to recommend?

     
    One cool source that people tend to overlook is Dimension Pro's Virtual B3 subfolder (buried under Organs in the free Expansion Pack 1).  All of DP's controls are converted to drawbars, Leslie speakers, percussive attack, etc.  All of the sounds are generated from a sine wav and click file.  An external Leslie effect can enhance these programs.
     
    There was a descriptive image of the Virtual B3 control layout floating around this forum.  I can't seem to find it here or in my backups.  (Notice how all of the front panel controls are both enabled and grayed out.)  The 'virtual b3.sfz' file serves as the basis for all of the program files [96 - Virtual B3 folder under Multisamples].




    Found the dimension B3 organs and they sound pretty good...thanks for the tip.

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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/08/26 15:21:29 (permalink)
    I've been messing with the Crazy Diamond plugin.  Man, that thing, out of the box, sounds soooo much like the Floyd stuff it would almost be a copyright issue to use...hehehehe!!!  Love it!

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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/08/26 19:19:00 (permalink)
    Too bad no one saved the DimPro Virtual B3 writeup from sonarama. Sure could use it now.

    Yeah, and it was my dumbass that uploaded it (from this 7 year old thread).  Maybe Bob Hammond (ironically enough) from Technetos can glean it from the Project5 Wiki archives.
     
    I'm attempting to piece it together from the .sfz file notations.  I see at least 18 active 'GUI_' controls, though.  The three EQ sections appear to cover the nine drawbars.  FX Input is the Key Click.  I believe that FX Left and Right are the Doppler effects, with BitRed controlling the rate(s) of both.
     
    That's as far as I got.  I'm winging it as I write here, and some of that description may be wrong.
     
    Edit:  Perc (added short envelope fifth harmonic) is the Decim control.
    Note:  Enabling a 'normal' panel control with these GUI_controls results in two 'effects' in parallel.
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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/08/27 08:57:16 (permalink)
    Hi guys!
    I found this picture from my old usb stick. I hope it helps!
     
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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/08/27 19:21:25 (permalink)

     
    That's gold, gigasonar!  Let me save it someplace safe right now (on several USB sticks that I'll lose)!  Time to edit the original post with this image, too.
     
    It looks like I got it right from the .sfz file, but I was driving myself crazy with those other 'unused' controls.  As I recall, Rene always wanted to do more with this kind of configuration.  I know that he wasn't happy with the Doppler effect as it was implemented.
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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/09/04 16:27:48 (permalink)
    A little late to this dialog -- and you are far beyond me anyway -- but there is a patch called 'Floyd organ' in the 'Dimension' folder (first folder on Dim Pro) that is pretty tasty and mellow. 

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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/09/12 01:57:27 (permalink)
    https://soundcloud.com/kv331synthmaster
     
    Listen to the Nori Ubukata demos and prepare to have your minds blown and taken back to the prog rock era when Yes Floyd Genesis and ELP ruled the world. http://www.kv331audio.com/ if you like this kind of music I predict your going to be getting this vsti

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    Re: Floyd organ? 2013/09/12 02:00:12 (permalink)
    https://soundcloud.com/kv331synthmaster/expansion-nori-ubukata
     
    or go here and check out the floyd demo on expansion 18
     
     http://www.kvraudio.com/product/synthmaster-by-kv331-audio
     
    post edited by myconsumerclub - 2013/09/12 02:02:45

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