What is a good instrament to use for Bass guitar?

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2013/08/24 22:52:01 (permalink)

What is a good instrament to use for Bass guitar?

I'm running all 64 bit. I tried to get SI Bass Guitar to work, but for some reason it wont.  I see that the MIDI is coming into the MIDI track, it even records. However, there is a disconnect between the midi track and the SI Bass Guitar synth. The chain looks like this
DR-880 MIDI --> MIDI SI-Bass Guitar 2 --> SYNTH SI Bass Guitar 2.
It just appears as though the synth is not seeing the input for some reason. 
 
THUS, makes me wonder, does this synth not work in 64bit mode?  And if not, what would be the next best synth to use?  I though about Dimension Pro or Rapture, but looking at the interface on those plugs are a bit over my head.
 
 
Any suggestions?
 


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    redbarchetta
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    Re: What is a good instrament to use for Bass guitar? 2013/08/24 23:31:56 (permalink)
    Went ahead and used Dimension pro.  Having said that, it does not seem to interpret the midi correctly. It's only reading 1 midi particular midi not out of the bunch in the midi clip. 


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    Re: What is a good instrament to use for Bass guitar? 2013/08/24 23:41:01 (permalink)
    SI bass should work. It's native 64 bit so there should be no bridging issues. Its very good too, particularly if you route it through an amp sim. It was my goto bass for some time before getting Scarbee and Orange Tree basses for Kontakt.
     
    How are you inserting the synth? There are several ways of doining it. I usually go to the Insert menu, when the "Insert Soft Synth" options appear I have Midi Source and Synth Track folder ticked and All synth audio outputs stereo ticked as my default. All the routing should then be set up automatically.
     
    Another thing to look for. Are your MIDI notes outside the range of SI bass?  Try playing further up the keyboard, does it work. If so transpose your midi up one octave.
     
    The other best choice for bass guitar would be Dimension Pro, there were however a few out of tune bass patches, so if you hear something a bit off, you know why. One of the free expansion packs added more bass patches to compensate for this. Dim Pro has a lot of parameters but if you are not up to tweaking you can probably get away with just loading the presets.
     
    If you want very simple check out Cakewalk Sound Center which is imcluded with producer. There is an inexpensive expansion pack http://www.store.cakewalk.com/b2cgbp/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=10-DSBS1.00-20E
     
     
     
     

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    Re: What is a good instrament to use for Bass guitar? 2013/08/24 23:46:07 (permalink)
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    Went ahead and used Dimension pro.  Having said that, it does not seem to interpret the midi correctly. It's only reading 1 midi particular midi not out of the bunch in the midi clip. 


    What is the source of your MIDI data? If you are only hearing some of the notes there are three possibilities.
    • Notes are outside the range of the patch in Dim Pro.
    • There is Mult channel data in the clip.
    • Velocities for some notes are set to zero.
    The first two are common issues if you have down loaded MIDI files from the web. Often one needs to transpose the bass part up one octave.

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    Re: What is a good instrament to use for Bass guitar? 2013/08/24 23:46:48 (permalink)
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    I'm running all 64 bit. I tried to get SI Bass Guitar to work, but for some reason it wont.  I see that the MIDI is coming into the MIDI track, it even records. However, there is a disconnect between the midi track and the SI Bass Guitar synth. The chain looks like this
    DR-880 MIDI --> MIDI SI-Bass Guitar 2 --> SYNTH SI Bass Guitar 2.
    It just appears as though the synth is not seeing the input for some reason. 
     
    THUS, makes me wonder, does this synth not work in 64bit mode?  And if not, what would be the next best synth to use?  I though about Dimension Pro or Rapture, but looking at the interface on those plugs are a bit over my head.
     
     
    Any suggestions?
     


    SI Bass works fine here all 64 bit as well.  The MIDI track in Sonar is set to output to the SI Bass correct?
     

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    Re: What is a good instrament to use for Bass guitar? 2013/08/24 23:57:21 (permalink)
    The source if the Bass MIDI is my Boss DR-880.
    The MIDI out for the Bass in the DR-880 is set to channel 2. So I would think there is only just the one.  I set the input to the MIDI track to the DR-880 Channel 2 so it would only get the bass midi notes.
    In both cases with both Bass SI and Dimension Pro, I set the output of the MIDI source to the synth, i even double checked on both synth tracks that it's input was the midi source track.
     
    This makes me wonder, as with a drum map, do I need some kind of bass map as well?


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    Re: What is a good instrament to use for Bass guitar? 2013/08/25 00:16:48 (permalink)
    Glyn, you were right. I pulled up the piano roll, started playing notes on the piano, it is out of range. So, going to have to move everything up an octave.


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    Re: What is a good instrament to use for Bass guitar? 2013/08/25 00:17:37 (permalink)
    There might be an adjustment in the DR-880 or try adjusting the key offset in the Inspector, the top slider pointed to by "P" in the illustration below from this page
     

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    Re: What is a good instrament to use for Bass guitar? 2013/08/25 01:30:22 (permalink)
    Thanks scook, I'll remember that for next time. I did it the manual way in the piano roll.  Lassoed all the notes and moved everything up one octave in one swoop.
     
     


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    Re: What is a good instrament to use for Bass guitar? 2013/08/25 02:36:23 (permalink)
    I tried to suggest S.I. Bass Guitar on another forum,and I got the distinct feeling not many think it's very good,well I think it's fine,and yes I'm full 64 bit and all the S.I. work fine,though it is listed in the x86 part of Windows programs,on both my W7 machines.
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    Re: What is a good instrament to use for Bass guitar? 2013/08/25 03:49:39 (permalink)
    SI's Bass Guitar is actually quite good! I was surprised the first time I used it just to sketch something really fast and I never bothered to replace it. Underrated instrument!
     

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    Re: dbl post 2013/08/25 03:54:10 (permalink)
    I also used to use the SI-Bass all the time.  I use Kontakt more these days, but still do call upon SI-Bass frequently.
     
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    Re: dbl post 2013/08/25 04:36:00 (permalink)
    Ilya Efimov's got crazy-awesome bass libraries for Kontakt.
     
    At the moment they've got three different; Modern, Classic and Retro
    and they're currently working on a fretless one that'll be released this fall.
     
    Check them out: http://www.ilyaefimov.com/
     

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    Re: What is a good instrament to use for Bass guitar? 2013/08/25 04:54:55 (permalink)
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    I tried to suggest S.I. Bass Guitar on another forum,and I got the distinct feeling not many think it's very good,well I think it's fine,




    Yes, its good, by far the best thing in Studio Instruments and very usable. - There are better solutions, but they cost a lot more money. My current favourite is Orange Tree's Rick, but at $99 and needing the full version of Kontakt to run its hardly a fair comparison. The same applies to the Ilya Efimov stuff Lopec mentioned, (that six string fretless bass looks like it will something!)

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    Re: What is a good instrament to use for Bass guitar? 2013/08/25 06:29:01 (permalink)
    Some of the Dim pro basses sit great in the mix. I've had mixed results using the SI basses. To me they sound great on their own but need a fair bit of tweeking to sit nicely in my tunes. Its all subjective I know but try some Dim Pro presets.

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    Re: What is a good instrament to use for Bass guitar? 2013/08/25 07:36:12 (permalink)
    I totally laughed when I saw the subject. I was like... well... a bass guitar! haha. :-) Glad you're getting good help.

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    Re: What is a good instrament to use for Bass guitar? 2013/08/25 11:28:35 (permalink)
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    I totally laughed when I saw the subject. I was like... well... a bass guitar! haha. :-) Glad you're getting good help.


    Ha, yeah I can see your point. ;)


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    Re: What is a good instrament to use for Bass guitar? 2013/08/25 14:50:18 (permalink)
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    Thanks scook, I'll remember that for next time. I did it the manual way in the piano roll.  Lassoed all the notes and moved everything up one octave in one swoop.
     
     




    You can also use the transpose feature - process>transpose>select value (+12) in your case.
    If you end up buying something else specifically for bass, Trilian is awesome....
     
     
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    Re: What is a good instrament to use for Bass guitar? 2013/08/25 15:18:27 (permalink)
    Thanks Paulo. I'll try to remember that option as well.  What I really want is a Hartke sim. I LOVE the tone of a Hartke. I have a little Kickback 12 and and just yummy bass tones out of that thing.  It has an XLR out which I connected to and recorded, but none of the tone adjustments came though, it's just sending a dry bass signal.   Or, if there is a way to send a tone adjusted signal, I've not figured out how yet.
    Suppose I could always mic it up and might have to when I get to a point that I have a bass line that I want to actually use in a serious recording. But for now, I'm mostly just trying to create backing tracks to play my guitar against


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    Re: What is a good instrament to use for Bass guitar? 2013/08/25 23:01:15 (permalink)
    Or a fender squire 5 string Jazz Bass. best 150.00 you'll ever spend on anything. 
     
    I actually traded in a Stingray 5 in for cash and one of these squire's after someone came in a tracked on one. Unbelievable! You talk about come, sit and stay bass.  Perfectly balanced, same solid tone on every fret $150.00 ..... in black.
     
     
     
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    Re: What is a good instrament to use for Bass guitar? 2013/08/26 00:08:37 (permalink)
    One thing I don't like about SI-Bass is the velocity curve. Other than that, the plugin is very good for the price.

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