Problem Mastering A Particular Song

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2013/08/25 21:59:38 (permalink)

Problem Mastering A Particular Song

Hi Gang...
 
First off I apologize for posting this here instead of techniques, but I got no response there and I'm in a spot...
 
The last song of the album I'm finishing starts with two electric guitars in stereo playing the same part by themselves...
 
No matter how long a leader I place in the song, my main DVD player clips playback of the last (16th) song. the guitar voume is plenty loud and I've remastered it a number of times trying all kinds of crazy ideas to get it to open correctly...
 
Note that it opens on my portable cd player just fine with any of the versions I've created....
 
Why only track 16? I don't get it???
 
Much thanks for any ideas, I don't know what else to try...
 
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    Re: Problem Mastering A Particular Song 2013/08/25 22:08:44 (permalink)
    Keni I don't recall this down in Techniques, I am ususlly down there and willing to help! Looks like your DVD player is at fault and I would not sweat it. I have encountered my car stereo cutting off the ends of tracks rather badly only to find it was fine on a normal CD player. DVD players are a bit notorius for doing stupid things. They take forever to power on and line themselves up to the start of a CD too which I hate with a passion.
     
    I usually leave maybe a second at the end of the last track but not the ones before. Have you got a good old standard Hi Fi CD player anywhere. (perhaps a friend) like a good old fashioned Denon or something. They will usually tell the story correctly.

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    Re: Problem Mastering A Particular Song 2013/08/25 22:52:30 (permalink)
    You may be the victim of inter sample peaks
    It happens to the best of us, no need to be ashamed.
     
    http://www.askaudiomag.com/articles/why-you-need-an-intersample-meter-when-mastering
     
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    Re: Problem Mastering A Particular Song 2013/08/25 22:57:10 (permalink)
    I doubt an intersample peak problem would cause the track to be cut short. Read the OP! It is a silly player issue almost certainly.

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    Re: Problem Mastering A Particular Song 2013/08/25 23:54:23 (permalink)
    It is a bit odd, though. Normally we see player cutting off the start of track 1. I have to agree with Jeff in that, it could simply be a firmware issue in the player. What make/model?

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    Re: Problem Mastering A Particular Song 2013/08/26 00:47:05 (permalink)
    Jeff Evans
    I doubt an intersample peak problem would cause the track to be cut short. Read the OP! It is a silly player issue almost certainly.

    I think bitman simply misunderstood the OP's use of the term "clips". I agree that it sounds like a DVD player issue.
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    Re: Problem Mastering A Particular Song 2013/08/26 13:54:16 (permalink)
    Jeff Evans
    Keni I don't recall this down in Techniques, I am ususlly down there and willing to help! Looks like your DVD player is at fault and I would not sweat it. I have encountered my car stereo cutting off the ends of tracks rather badly only to find it was fine on a normal CD player. DVD players are a bit notorius for doing stupid things. They take forever to power on and line themselves up to the start of a CD too which I hate with a passion.
     
    I usually leave maybe a second at the end of the last track but not the ones before. Have you got a good old standard Hi Fi CD player anywhere. (perhaps a friend) like a good old fashioned Denon or something. They will usually tell the story correctly.




    Thanks Jeff...
     
    I guess it got missed.... but thanks for responding here...
     
    I've been believing that the DVD player is having trouble with that many tracks? I'm gonna see what happens if I move the song earlier in the album without changing the mix/master...
     
    I've had this DVD player for a long time (in my living room) and I typically depend on it for casual listening and entertainment.... but also as a reference point... so it's "hurting"...
     
    It's playing fine on all CD players I've been able to try it on, so I'm guessing it is the DVD player's issue... what I can do about it is a tough one for me being so broke...
     
    I typically leave 15 frames (1/2 second) in the beginning of a song and my fades are "lazy"... I don't ever have clipping problems of this sort except with DVD players and I thought I got around that with how long the entry silence is... I guess I found another issue, eh? ;-)
     
    Thanks...
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    Re: Problem Mastering A Particular Song 2013/08/26 13:55:53 (permalink)
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    You may be the victim of inter sample peaks
    It happens to the best of us, no need to be ashamed.
     
    http://www.askaudiomag.com/articles/why-you-need-an-intersample-meter-when-mastering
     




    Thanks bitman...
     
    As noted in another post above this... I think you misunderstood my use of the word "clip"... In this case it's not a gain related audio clip, but a clip where the beginning notes are not heard....
     
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    Re: Problem Mastering A Particular Song 2013/08/26 13:58:47 (permalink)
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    It is a bit odd, though. Normally we see player cutting off the start of track 1. I have to agree with Jeff in that, it could simply be a firmware issue in the player. What make/model?




    I don't recall the model number offhand, but it's a rather old Mitsubishi which I've had for near 10 years... (?)
     
    As it plays disks that most of my friends have trouble with as well as all others, I've always depended on it... Maybe it's just developed this issue? We'll see what today's experiments show... the blank CD manufacturers are loving me right now as I waste disc after disc! ;-)
     
    Thanks Brian...
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    Re: Problem Mastering A Particular Song 2013/08/27 13:57:00 (permalink)
    Are you using a different brand of CD-R'S?
     
    Just a thought

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    Re: Problem Mastering A Particular Song 2013/08/27 14:16:26 (permalink)
    Maybe it's c1 / c2 errors when burning. I haven't burned any in a long time but I still have my old Plextor & Plex-writer software to check for them.

    If not already mentioned try burning at a slower speed e.g. 8x
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