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X2 crashes when using Mackie Control via USB
Hi, my sonar x2 has worked with my mackie control well in the past. Now it is stable except when I run the mackie control over usb. When it crashes I close it and can't restart it. I go to task manager and there is no app running but under processes I still see SONARPDR.EXE. I can't do an end process or end process tree on it. It stays there. But as soon as I turn off my mackie ... boom... it finally closes and disapears from processes. What do you think is causing this "conflict"? How can I trouble shoot this issue? Thanks for your help, Kevin
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Re: X2 crashes when using Mackie Control via USB
2013/08/31 16:52:42
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What sort of USB port are you plugged into with it? Perhaps you can try different ports to see if that helps. Some ports have power, and some don't, and some may be USB 1.1, USB 2.0, or USB 3.0 - it can make a difference. Does this lock up regardless of the makeup of the project in Sonar? Sometimes 32-bit plugs can hang SONARPDR, but in those cases I believe you would also see BitBridge running, although I cannot say for sure, as I do not run 32-bit plugins in 64-bit Sonar very often. Are you running X2 or X2a? Is there any more detail you could provide? Bob Bone
Wisdom is a giant accumulation of "DOH!" Sonar: Platinum (x64), X3 (x64) Audio Interfaces: AudioBox 1818VSL, Steinberg UR-22 Computers: 1) i7-2600 k, 32 GB RAM, Windows 8.1 Pro x64 & 2) AMD A-10 7850 32 GB RAM Windows 10 Pro x64 Soft Synths: NI Komplete 8 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, many others MIDI Controllers: M-Audio Axiom Pro 61, Keystation 88es Settings: 24-Bit, Sample Rate 48k, ASIO Buffer Size 128, Total Round Trip Latency 9.7 ms
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Re: X2 crashes when using Mackie Control via USB
2013/08/31 17:21:24
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Thanks Bob for the quick response! OK, so I may have found the problem. Has been working fine for the afternoon so far. I disabled AVG anti virus. I was ignoring this because so many folks have said that today's anti virus programs won't interfere with Sonar. And I think I shared that experience in the past. But for me and this particular computer / project...Well for me they do interfere. So no more AVG while working in Sonar. Thank you, Kevin
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Re: X2 crashes when using Mackie Control via USB
2013/08/31 17:25:49
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Kamn: go in devicemanager and look at the usb ports default is ...turn off after 5min.. u wana change that ...always on oops !
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Re: X2 crashes when using Mackie Control via USB
2013/08/31 18:31:45
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Wow, Star Tekh, you have certainly boldly gone, etc. :) Bob Bone
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Re: X2 crashes when using Mackie Control via USB
2013/08/31 23:33:33
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Hey Star Tekh, thank you! :) Just made that change. That must be why my Mackie sometimes stops controlling X2 in the middle of a session. Things are looking up ^ Thanks again! Kman
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Re: X2 crashes when using Mackie Control via USB
2013/09/02 12:31:21
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Still no joy. I disabled power management of the usb ports. Sometimes, if I leave a project loaded and take a break, when I return to the computer sonar is stuck. Until i turn off the mackie. then it works again. So i leave sonar running with a loaded project, take a break, and when i return i click to start playback and it just hangs there unti i turn off the mackie.
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Re: X2 crashes when using Mackie Control via USB
2013/09/02 13:20:40
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Does your hard drive get turned off after some period of time? I have ALL of my devices remaining on all the time. I think if you set the time values to zero (0), it tells Windows to leave on always. I do this for screen and hard drives, and also tell it to have min/max for processors at 100%. Also, some hard drives are 'green' and go to a reduced spin rate after a while, and I think this can cause problems. I think sometimes things just don't wake up well. Bob Bone
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Re: X2 crashes when using Mackie Control via USB
2013/09/02 14:26:42
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Kman: whats the motherboard make and model ..
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Re: X2 crashes when using Mackie Control via USB
2013/09/02 15:35:31
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I spun up the hard drives using windows explorer prior to hitting play so i could rule that out. These are Western Digital Green Caviar drives (both) . It's an Asus m4a78t-e mb. I'll try the zero setting in advanced power options. I have it set to never sleep. I'm going into the deeper settings and setting hard drvies to sleep after 0. I see "Allow Hybrid sleep", i'll have to google what that does.
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Re: X2 crashes when using Mackie Control via USB
2013/09/02 16:31:01
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Hybrid sleep is designed primarily for desktop computers. Hybrid sleep is a combination of sleep and hibernate—it puts any open documents and programs in memory and on your hard disk, and then puts your computer into a low-power state so that you can quickly resume your work. That way, if a power failure occurs, Windows can restore your work from your hard disk. When hybrid sleep is turned on, putting your computer into sleep automatically puts your computer into hybrid sleep. Hybrid sleep is typically turned on by default on desktop computers. I saw that one forum person had issues with their Western Digital Caviar green hard drive was causing streaming issues, due to the variable spin rate that those drives have. I have not seen any confirmation of this as of yet, in other threads, but am still looking. Typically, for computers running software such as Sonar, the faster the drives the better, so whenever possible use drives that spin at 7,200 or better. Bob Bone
Wisdom is a giant accumulation of "DOH!" Sonar: Platinum (x64), X3 (x64) Audio Interfaces: AudioBox 1818VSL, Steinberg UR-22 Computers: 1) i7-2600 k, 32 GB RAM, Windows 8.1 Pro x64 & 2) AMD A-10 7850 32 GB RAM Windows 10 Pro x64 Soft Synths: NI Komplete 8 Ultimate, Arturia V Collection, many others MIDI Controllers: M-Audio Axiom Pro 61, Keystation 88es Settings: 24-Bit, Sample Rate 48k, ASIO Buffer Size 128, Total Round Trip Latency 9.7 ms
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Re: X2 crashes when using Mackie Control via USB
2013/09/02 17:09:15
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Kamn: there are a few things we should go over 1- Bios ....there are 24 bios rev's for your board .....M4A78T-E BIOS 3503 "1. Improve system stability. 2. Support new CPUs. Please refer to our website at: http://support.asus.com/c...t.aspx?SLanguage=en-us3. Enhace compatibility with some USB device." 2- chipset drivers for win7-64 AMD .. where did you get them 3- Western Digital Caviar green hard drive was causing streaming issues, due to the variable spin rate that those drives have..is correct ! lets go over your set-up I can also do bios revs if you wish !
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Re: X2 crashes when using Mackie Control via USB
2013/09/02 17:18:34
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I'm at bios 3503. got my chipset drivers from the asus support site for my board. i don't have streaming issues so much as Mackie freezing or not functioning consistently. just now my Mackie was working including transport functions. all of a sudden the transport functions have stopped working. . i can start and stop music from my computer keyboard, and i can use the faders on the Mackie, but the transport functions on the Mackie are not working.
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Re: X2 crashes when using Mackie Control via USB
2013/09/02 17:31:17
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Re: X2 crashes when using Mackie Control via USB
2013/09/06 18:24:28
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Disabling power management and anti virus, and verifying/updating updating drivers, have improved things dramatically. However, sometimes the transport buttons on the Mackie still get "stuck" , aka don't do anything. Seems if I hit spacebar on computer keyboard and play on the Mackie several times together or alternately the Mackie will sometimes start working again. Strange behavior.
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Re: X2 crashes when using Mackie Control via USB
2013/09/07 11:08:06
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Re: X2 crashes when using Mackie Control via USB
2013/09/07 15:11:21
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I followed the instructions and couldn't get the update to work. I'm at 4.0.1. I put it into the "waiting for firmware update" mode, press play and nothing happens. The mackie is supposed to display some blinking lights during the update but it just sits there with the "Waiting" message. I was on hold with Mackie for over an hour and just hung up from the torturous music loop they play.
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Re: X2 crashes when using Mackie Control via USB
2013/09/07 18:56:49
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Tech Support department at 1-800-898-3211, Monday-Friday, during normal business hours, Pacific Time,
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Re: X2 crashes when using Mackie Control via USB
2013/09/07 18:58:23
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No Driver Required for Supported Windows (PC..is the next thing i question.... it didn't work as advertised. The "USB only" thing just didn't work for me so I had to connect the midi cables as well and then it worked
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Kman88
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Re: X2 crashes when using Mackie Control via USB
2013/09/23 22:35:10
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Update. I finally got hold of Mackie tech support and they suggested I use a midi file player found on ssynth.com. It worked. My firmware is updated to 3.0.4 and the transport buttons always work! Playing the Mackie update midi file through Sonar just doesn't work.
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