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Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
Okay, I've never been to one of these meetings before but I guess I'll begin by saying, "My name is Royal and I'm a lipstick on a pig-aholic!..."
I guess it started with Melodyne editor? I mean I tried to stay true to my scruples but with one god damned click, the take could be fixed and next thing I knew I was hooked... With improvements and double precision 64 bit engines, before I know it, I'm using high quality dynamics processing to turn a lack lustre, lump of proverbial into something better than passable... *shudders* It actually became *deep breath* polished and comparable...
Flash forward a couple years later and I'm doing it every day.
I can't stop.
It's like, it won't let me.
I think I need help?...
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/01 10:38:50
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2013/09/01 10:57:29
maybe? maybe not? I think part of the equation is the style of music you are creating... but that's another thread<G>!
Here's what I do (advice valued at exactly what you paid for it!)... my background includes a couple of decades of editing tape with a razor blade, spot erasing, and manually riding the faders. So I pick and choose my editing tools based on one simple rule - if I could have, or would have made an edit back when my tools were rudimentary I will make it now. Otherwise, if the problem genuinely takes away from the track I'll find another way to fix it.
Same goes for processing... I used filters and dynamics processors then, and I use them now. I use them differently - now I can 'afford' to have a compressor or equalizer on many more tracks than I could have ever afforded then.
Which is not to say I don't take advantage of the tools available to me!
I LOVE being able to undo an edit if I goof it up - WAY easier than putting a sliver of tape back!
I am getting better at using tools like AudioSnap to conform sequenced tracks to tracks played live. While this was never necessary when it was tape only, it can add a great deal of life and realism to sequenced tracks.
Every once in a while I will record a track that is just amazing, a great, if imperfect, performance. At which point Melodyne or Auto-Tune can minimize the offensive moments, and rescue an otherwise great track.
The other thing - tools like Melodyne, lots of compressors or delays, etc can be used as sound design tools, the likes of which we never dreamed of in 1977!
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Royal Yaksman
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/01 11:14:08
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@wst3 - Mad respect for working with tape! My only experience with that stuff has been a one day sit in with a geezer who had so much knowledge of audio past and present, I felt like I didn't belong in the same room. Watching him listen to the song, make notes and start live mixing on a board with no motorised faders or any recall capabilities, had my jaw on the ground. He had his notes sitting there like a sheet of music and his tweaks were like a performance in themselves. Hearing the master reel played into the DAW blew my mind! I was thinking it takes a fair bit more tweaking (countless sends) to get that fatness if your working direct digital. I'm not saying it sounds the same now. "Comparable" perhaps? (There's that word again) But not quite the same.
That being said, I am waaaaaaaaay too lazy for that sh*t. Awe inspiring it was. But I can't help but use (maybe overuse?) the tools we have a mere click away. My D.O.B. binds me. You understand?...
I actually fear I have become somewhat of an enigma. I get annoyed that people are trashing audio with their own overuse of eq, bass boosting sub actions on professionally mastered tunes. But at the same time I have fully embraced ITB because it's cheap and easy (some might say nasty.) Mainly easy. Hence, LOAPA...
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/01 11:27:21
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☄ Helpfulby Royal Yaksman 2013/09/01 11:34:11
I had that happen many years ago when I first discovered the Aphex Aural Exciter and later the BBE Sonic Maximizer, hardware versions. I put them on everything! And if setting the knob at 3 sounded good, then setting it at 6 had to sound twice as good. lol
I ended up entering a 12 step program to begin the healing process.
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/01 11:35:41
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Is the first step realizing that you don't need Waves Mercury?...
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/01 12:24:15
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Royal Yaksman
Is the first step realizing that you don't need Waves Mercury?...
Absolutely ! They even had a large picture of the box on the wall to remind us. lol
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/01 12:38:56
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Royal Yaksman
Is the first step realizing that you don't need Waves Mercury?...
Absolutely ! They even had a large picture of the box on the wall to remind us. lol
 Noice! I'll bet someone would have cracked every meeting and opened that box just to see if the installers were inside?... "C'mon, Frank, you know it's empty! Lenny opened it last week and, Dean, the week before that... It's supposed to be a symbol of sobriety and you're turning it into an unbridled farce!!!"
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/01 13:15:57
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☄ Helpfulby Royal Yaksman 2013/09/01 13:32:56
Royal Yaksman
Is the first step realizing that you don't need Waves Mercury?...
I am doomed then.
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/01 13:21:53
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Royal Yaksman
Is the first step realizing that you don't need Waves Mercury?...
I am doomed then.
I fear we may all be doomed... Has anyone ever officially expired, found drowned in their own plugin list? *nudge wink*
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/01 15:44:29
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☄ Helpfulby Royal Yaksman 2013/09/02 01:16:09
The technique you describe in your OP is formally called Turd Polishing, and has a fine tradition going back to the first models-turned-crooners of the late 50's. Back then they didn't have Melodyne and had to do their trickery the old-fashioned way, using uncredited pinch-hitters. Nowadays, it's a much-improved process. You just find a cute girl, autotune and quadruple-track her, and instruct her to strip to her skivvies for "live" performances so no one notices her lips aren't moving with the lyrics.
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/02 01:51:15
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You just find a cute girl, autotune and quadruple-track her, and instruct her to strip to her skivvies for "live" performances so no one notices her lips aren't moving with the lyrics.
Lips have to move? I don't get it? I mean ventriloquism is still cool right? Maybe these lip-syncers just need the right hand up their ass? I'm sure someone is bound to tell me that I don't understand the finer points and difficulties of pouting and twerking at the same time?...
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/02 07:58:42
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If you record more, do you have less time for the lipstick? Just hit it once with a powder puff and move on.
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/02 09:55:32
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I just don't know what to believe, man.
I mean, the GOVERNMENT put out that Reverb Madness movie, and they wouldn't mislead the public, would they?
I DO admit that my involvement with 'Tweaking' a mix has been elevated for some time, but when I am tweaking, I feel so ALIVE and IN CONTROL, almost like I will never fade out.
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/02 10:51:54
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I mean, the GOVERNMENT put out that Reverb Madness movie, and they wouldn't mislead the public, would they? I've seen the controversial Tape Saturation Madness from the US Dept of Misinformation, but somehow missed Reverb Madness. Is it on Netflix?
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/03 07:34:54
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Everyone abuses a new tool when they first get it....
You know you've hit the bottom when someone finds you in an alley behind a real recording studio using autotune on your ipad or worse, your iphone to tweek your latest vocal recording.
Seriously, stop using the one click solution on Melodyne and just say "NO" to presets. With Melodyne, do your corrections manually, listening to the track and fix it one note at a time manually and only if it needs fixing. I used to use the one click autofix but I managed to kick that nasty habit and now use it where and when it's required to improve the performance.
As far as the presets in the "turd polishing software"...... learn what it is doing and if you wanna use presets, at least make your own as starting points.
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/03 10:50:20
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Long ago it was widely reported that Richard Pryor set his hair on fire from a crack pipe (remember the joke about a lit match bobbing up and down being Richard Pryor running down the street?). He had ACTUALLY been recording a comedy album and was secretly a HEAVY Melodyne Preset user. I hear he was doing 2-3 projects a DAY!
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/03 13:38:19
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Long ago it was widely reported that Richard Pryor set his hair on fire from a crack pipe (remember the joke about a lit match bobbing up and down being Richard Pryor running down the street?). He had ACTUALLY been recording a comedy album and was secretly a HEAVY Melodyne Preset user. I hear he was doing 2-3 projects a DAY!
Bob Bone
Melodyne will fix a lot of things but I have yet to hear it fix a bad punchline..... you need autotune for that. 2 to 3 projects..... that's got it bad...... real bad.
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/04 01:40:15
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So I went for a stroll down to the boardwalk and I saw this artist sitting there with a sign that said he would paint anything you wanted, for fifteen bucks. I played him a couple of my own songs from my phone and then asked him to paint what he interpreted as a visual representation of my music. This is what he came up with:  What do you guys think it means?...
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/04 03:31:21
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Hey!!!! Where did you get that picture of my first wife?????
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/04 07:56:34
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Hey!!!! Where did you get that picture of my first wife????? Bob Bone
It was actually part of a flyer that was taped to the back of a cubicle door. Something to do with offering "ham-wallet" services, whatever that means?... So ummm, wow! She's a?... She's a handsome woman, Bob!
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/04 08:48:24
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She was one sturdy piece of furniture, I can tell you. :)
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/05 03:02:41
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robert_e_bone
She was one sturdy piece of furniture, I can tell you. :)
Anything like this?:  Hope you upgraded to something like this:   I'm actually having trouble processing that people have these pieces in their homes...
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/05 10:00:49
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So you think getting SPLINTERS is funny? Huh? :)
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/05 11:04:58
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Alright! - I love it when a thread goes way south...
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/05 18:38:05
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So you think getting SPLINTERS is funny? Huh? :)
Bob Bone
Splinters plural?... No. A Splinter?  Now that's a different story all together...
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/05 20:12:44
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Well, Melodyne presets aside, I did just try out their demo, and it seems pretty cool. I am off to try some stuff out with it.
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Re: Lipstick On A Pig-aholics Anonymous (LOAPA)
2013/09/05 20:40:28
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Nice! Cannot see you regretting this forage. If you watch the videos on Celemony's site, you'll see that correction purposes are really just the tip of the iceberg with melodyne editor. It's ability to rework, harmonize, mangle etc. are practically endless and it makes every instrument, note expression capable. I've lost count the amount of times a part in a song has become something better and completely different than originally intended, through mostly just sheer messing about with this plug! And ever had a perfect take but someone dropped, bumped or tapped something and it was picked up by a mic? Simply rub some M.E. on it, find the offending noise and completely remove it.
But I'm forgetting this is a Cakewalk forum so umm? *Puts on best salesman voice* For best results, ensure you use Sonar X2 as your host program! *Cheesey blinding grin*
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