M_Glenn_M
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What EQ setting for this Vox-solved. I think.
My vox often sounds a bit like I'm singing thru my cupped hands or a megaphone. (SM7B) What EQ would you focus on?
post edited by M_Glenn_M - 2013/09/02 16:03:13
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Re: What EQ setting for this Vox
2013/09/02 02:36:40
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Hi Glenn, to me it sounds more that you are handling the mic in a wrong way in your recording session. Imo an eq can not make a better track out of it, because the basic signal is "bad" It´s hard to guess what reason it might have, but if not done, try to move the angle and the distance of your mic. The cardioid caracteristic of that mic give several possibilities- sure you know! On the other hand,if you are treating the sm7b right aso, this sort of mic seems to be the wrong choice for you, then I would recommend to try a condenser mic. Have fun Pragi
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Re: What EQ setting for this Vox
2013/09/02 07:57:10
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☄ Helpfulby M_Glenn_M 2013/09/04 10:21:55
Do a test where you sing at 4 or 5 different distances. listen back and see which is best. after that, be sure to stay consistent. you can use a wind screen to help you be consistent by putting it at the desired distance and then staying very close to it while singing.
last suggestion, try using a Multiband compressor as your eq. this will give dynamic eq that is tailored to the frequencies that are problematic in you high, mid, and low range. be sure to adjust the ratio and threshold for each band individually. message me if you need
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Re: What EQ setting for this Vox
2013/09/02 09:57:57
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☄ Helpfulby M_Glenn_M 2013/09/04 10:21:39
Hi M_Glenn_M,
It's likely going to be pretty tough for folks to make good recommendations sight unseen (so to speak....hearing unheard maybe? anyway...), but very generally the megaphone effect centers around 1K. If you could give us a link to hear your voice you'd probably get better suggestions.
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Re: What EQ setting for this Vox
2013/09/02 10:10:04
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Re: What EQ setting for this Vox
2013/09/02 10:10:32
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☄ Helpfulby M_Glenn_M 2013/09/04 10:21:33
Standing close to any mic increases bass response. If you have problems with wind bursts causing p-b pops, move the mic to a side position to your mouth while keeping the same distance. Sometimes the pop filters or wind screens can't keep those pops out. I would follow the advice already here. But look closely at the distance you are from the mic. Also check and see if you are using the same channel for in and out in your DAW and if that channel shares the computer audio output. Sometimes you will get some phase issues if your interface is set that way.
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Re: What EQ setting for this Vox
2013/09/02 10:15:41
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Thanks guys.
The mic seems great for me in most cases and I do have a wind screen so that's what makes me think it's an adjustable setting.
I might have adjusted the COSM input setting on my BR800 controller on these few that sound this way.
I'm auditing 20 songs to see how they go together and this sound shows up in contrast to the others.
I'd love to learn more about Multiband Compressors for this track and others as they are used so much in mastering and will message you James.
I'll also post a link as to the difference as an example once I upload them to Soundclick
Thanks again
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Re: What EQ setting for this Vox
2013/09/02 10:49:28
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Re: What EQ setting for this Vox
2013/09/02 11:31:39
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☄ Helpfulby M_Glenn_M 2013/09/04 10:21:11
The SM7b isn't going to capture much room sound... so the track will be "dry" sounding.
Do you have the bass roll-off engaged on the SM7b?
The SM7b has significant proximity effect when you move in close.
Assuming it's in good working order... and you're not rolling off the bottom end (high-pass filter engaged), the mic should capture plenty of low end.
What mic preamp are you using?
Does the preamp offer impedance switches?
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Re: What EQ setting for this Vox
2013/09/02 11:48:46
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I do have both the bass rolloff and the HF boost engaged.
I'm using the BR800 as the preamp and I have now settled on a patch that has Low cut set at 20Hz, a comp/Lim set to Rack160, threshold 74 ratio 4:1, attack and release at 40, and a noise suppressor with threshold at 80, release 16.
Having said all that..there is no guarantee I used this setting on these "problem" songs.
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Re: What EQ setting for this Vox
2013/09/02 12:16:34
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☄ Helpfulby M_Glenn_M 2013/09/04 10:22:21
Hi M_Glenn_M
In the example you've given it just sounds to my ears like there's just too much of a low cut going on. It almost sounds like there is a fairly steep low cut at about 900hz. Did you check the eq on the vox track for a low cut that got engaged somewhere?
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Re: What EQ setting for this Vox
2013/09/02 13:01:43
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☄ Helpfulby M_Glenn_M 2013/09/04 10:22:31
Drop the digital effects going in. No sense in using them since you can add those after recording - they are post conversion.
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Re: What EQ setting for this Vox
2013/09/02 13:38:57
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I do have the lows cut below 200 thanks.
I've now cut a few db at 1000 and rolled off under 100
I do think there may be a bit of combing due to vocal doubling.
Thanks guys, you have given me lots of ideas to try
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Re: What EQ setting for this Vox
2013/09/02 16:04:39
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It definitely improved when I cut one vocal track.
I was trying to do the HAAS thing but it made it hollow.
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Re: What EQ setting for this Vox
2013/09/04 07:15:11
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☄ Helpfulby M_Glenn_M 2013/09/04 10:22:36
To solve the issue, go back to square one.
Mute all the vocal tracks but the main one. Bypass or delete all the FX. Set the EQ to flat.
Most people get into trouble when they try to do "fancy things" with doubling, EQ and FX without a firm understanding of the basics of sound.
To my ears, the sample you posted was lacking the low end and had too much high end. Try singing much closer to the mic following the advice in the second sentence above. You can then listen and evaluate the results and use the tone shaping plugs as needed.
The majority of my vocal tracks are recorded with a pop filter, singing close in to the mic, and no plugs in the track. After the fact, the EQ curve is generally still left fairly flat with a slight dip around 800-1000hz.
For the best results, keep it simple.
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Re: What EQ setting for this Vox
2013/09/04 10:19:52
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This is sensible, thanks.
I do sing quite close (Old bar band SM58 habits) but I do have the low end off the SM7b AND on the input COSM effect on the BR800 controller so I'm probably overdoing it.
And yes, overdoing it on plugs too.
I'm sensing a pattern here. Lol
Thanks again.
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Re: What EQ setting for this Vox
2013/09/05 14:19:18
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Hey, Glenn, Like the others, I would be concerned about the mic or positioning if the sound were recorded sounding like you describe; however, in answer to your question, from your description, I would think you have way too much 500-800 HZ—hard to be more exact without hearing it. Really muffled would be at the lower end of that range. Cardboard box would be at the higher end. Is it possible that the mic input is way too hot, or that you have mic pad on the mic (-5, -10) that you need to turn on? If you were recording way too hot for the mic or input channel, you could be getting major clipping and distortion that could be described that way. Every time I change mics and every time I change singers I need to go into my mic preamp settings and readjust things. With a condenser mic, I almost always have the -5 or -10 switch on. Tip: Even if you meter is showing the same level, a mic sounds different in a preamp with a -20 pad on and the level up than it does with the -20 db pad off and the level down. Someone will probably argue with me on this on an electronic basis, but I can hear it: more distortion with the pad off even if the meter says the level is the same. UPDATE: Went to the site. I think you mean the Reggae song. I had a lot of trouble with soundclick but I heard a little. It does sound awfully 800ish but I am sure you will want to check all the causes listed in this thread. Did you say anywhere what kind of mic this is?
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Re: What EQ setting for this Vox
2013/09/05 18:58:55
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Thanks Konrad
It's an SM7b
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