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MOTU 8pre 16x12 USB Audio Interface vs Roland UA-1010 Octa-Capture USB 2.0 Audio Interface
I am looking to add more inputs to record live drums and I am torn on which one of these to get. I have the Motu MK3 and I love the way it works so I wanted to keep it in the family of products but a respected professional recording friend of mine who uses Sonar X2 says get Roland Octa-Capture, also I have played gigs with him using the Octa-Capture so I know how it works live. If you can think of a better piece of equipment please feel free to share, thanks for the input http://www.zzounds.com/item--MTU8PREUSB http://www.zzounds.com/item--ROLUA1010
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Re: MOTU 8pre 16x12 USB Audio Interface vs Roland UA-1010 Octa-Capture USB 2.0 Audio Inter
2013/09/04 11:50:41
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I have used a MOTU 24io for several years with no problems and great results. It is designed for use with a hardware mixer with sends and returns so it is quite bulky to carry around for remote jobs. It doesn't have many sync features. Just word clock. I felt the need to move on with something more up to date and decided on the brand new Roland Studio-Captures. 16 ins, 10 outs, midi in and out, Spdif digital connectors. I got two and sync them for 32 ins and 20 outs. I am extremely happy with them other than the auto shutoff issue that the Octa-Captures suffer from. I got a great price for two at Guitar Center. Maybe you should check them out. With these interfaces I have been able to dump the hardware mixer as well.
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Re: MOTU 8pre 16x12 USB Audio Interface vs Roland UA-1010 Octa-Capture USB 2.0 Audio Inter
2013/09/04 11:58:15
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Sidroe
I have used a MOTU 24io for several years with no problems and great results. It is designed for use with a hardware mixer with sends and returns so it is quite bulky to carry around for remote jobs. It doesn't have many sync features. Just word clock. I felt the need to move on with something more up to date and decided on the brand new Roland Studio-Captures. 16 ins, 10 outs, midi in and out, Spdif digital connectors. I got two and sync them for 32 ins and 20 outs. I am extremely happy with them other than the auto shutoff issue that the Octa-Captures suffer from. I got a great price for two at Guitar Center. Maybe you should check them out. With these interfaces I have been able to dump the hardware mixer as well.
Thanks I will research Roland Studio
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Re: MOTU 8pre 16x12 USB Audio Interface vs Roland UA-1010 Octa-Capture USB 2.0 Audio Inter
2013/09/04 12:00:05
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Sidroe
I have used a MOTU 24io for several years with no problems and great results. It is designed for use with a hardware mixer with sends and returns so it is quite bulky to carry around for remote jobs. It doesn't have many sync features. Just word clock. I felt the need to move on with something more up to date and decided on the brand new Roland Studio-Captures. 16 ins, 10 outs, midi in and out, Spdif digital connectors. I got two and sync them for 32 ins and 20 outs. I am extremely happy with them other than the auto shutoff issue that the Octa-Captures suffer from. I got a great price for two at Guitar Center. Maybe you should check them out. With these interfaces I have been able to dump the hardware mixer as well.
Is this what you were referring to? http://www.zzounds.com/item--ROLUA1610
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Re: MOTU 8pre 16x12 USB Audio Interface vs Roland UA-1010 Octa-Capture USB 2.0 Audio Inter
2013/09/04 13:57:40
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Yes! Sorry it takes a while to get back. I just bounce in and out some days. Try Guitar Center. I got a stupidly low,low price on two. They run in sync. Check the Roland website for a detailed look. There are some videos on YouTube as well. Let me know what happens. Good luck!
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Re: MOTU 8pre 16x12 USB Audio Interface vs Roland UA-1010 Octa-Capture USB 2.0 Audio Inter
2013/09/04 14:02:55
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BTW, I forgot to tell you that to run them in sync you have to use a USB hub if your computer doesn't have enough ports. And read the installation instructions very closely. I didn't have a problem with the install but I missed the hub part and ended up troubleshooting for hours until I finally realized I had to have the hub. The hub is a necessity on my laptop but my desktop has plenty of ports.
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Re: MOTU 8pre 16x12 USB Audio Interface vs Roland UA-1010 Octa-Capture USB 2.0 Audio Inter
2013/09/04 18:31:38
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How do the Roland Studio capture mic pre's sound compared to the Motu?
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Re: MOTU 8pre 16x12 USB Audio Interface vs Roland UA-1010 Octa-Capture USB 2.0 Audio Inter
2013/09/05 10:53:13
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The MOTU has been a reliable workhorse over the years and sounds great! But in the case of the SC, the pre's do seem to be tighter sounding and a bit cleaner in the upper frequencies but that could be due to the software mixer that comes with them. There is a nice built in comp on every channel along with a nice noise gate. Phantom power also. If they would stick a nice eq on every channel you would have a really nice digital mixer for gigs on your computer without relying on any software DAW. Hey, Roland! Are you listening. Maybe the next upgrade?
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Re: MOTU 8pre 16x12 USB Audio Interface vs Roland UA-1010 Octa-Capture USB 2.0 Audio Inter
2013/09/05 10:57:58
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I read a post where someone was concerned about the convertors being the same ones as in their old digital hardware recorders. I have a friend of mine who uses two of those 24 track models and the quality is like night and day. If they are the same convertors they must be doing something software wise because the SCs sound light years more open and cleaner. It would be interesting to know if they are the same convertors.
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Re: MOTU 8pre 16x12 USB Audio Interface vs Roland UA-1010 Octa-Capture USB 2.0 Audio Inter
2013/09/05 11:02:49
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I didn't plan on getting a MOTU as it was out of my budget (as a bedroom producer) but a deal on ebay reached into my wallet. Really happy with my little MKIII hybrid. I think MOTU's underrated - they're not 'sexy' like some brands, but they're clean, loaded, very well built, and very competitive in their price range.
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Re: MOTU 8pre 16x12 USB Audio Interface vs Roland UA-1010 Octa-Capture USB 2.0 Audio Inter
2013/09/05 22:09:01
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Ok so I have been researching both and there as great features about both. I have the Motu Ultralite3 it is great and what I have used for all my recordings so that makes me want to be loyal to Motu Pre8, downside of the Pre8 just two outputs so it is mainly an in the studio device but I like the -20db feature and I have not heard of anyone complaining about the pre amps. Octa Capture has outputs that can be used in a live gig, I like the fact that it will optimize the best levels for what ever you are playing automatically, I like that it has 4 different mixes but the downsize other than reviews I have no idea of if the quality of recording is better than my Ultralite. I believe because the Pre8 is my Motu I will get the same quality or better. I looked into the Octa Studio and that is out of my budget really and there are not many reviews out there that I found of regular people using the Octa Studio to get a feel for it, but the number of inputs verses outputs is all you need. I need to make a decision but I need to focus on key points just not sure what they should be. At the end of the day I don't want to have a lower recording quality than my Ultralite and advice for me at this point?
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Re: MOTU 8pre 16x12 USB Audio Interface vs Roland UA-1010 Octa-Capture USB 2.0 Audio Inter
2013/09/06 00:24:00
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I wouldn't think the quality of Roland's Studio Capture an issue... but I suppose auditioning it at a store along side the Motu would be the thing to do.
I see the Studio Capture competing directly against the Motu 896HD Hybrid. The Studio Capture has 12 pre's, the 896 has 8. The 896 more IO, as it can accept an additional 16 channels via adat, and it can interface to the computer via USB or Firewire.
Studio Capture 12 pre's - 16x10 USB
FX - bussed reverb for monitoring
Motu 896HD 8 pre's - 28x16 mix USB/Firewire
FX - bussed reverb for monitoring
Compressor (in chan,out chans)
LA style leveler (in chan,out chans)
EQ (in chan,out chans)
Price is about the same for the Roland and the Motu.
The skinny?
Roland - 4 more pre's
Motu - better mixer for live use (compression for drum kit, etc..), is expandable via adat (adat channels can be mixed within CUE mix..)
You've still got 6 balanced I/O in the MKIII, you could find pre's with output and plug into that...
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Re: MOTU 8pre 16x12 USB Audio Interface vs Roland UA-1010 Octa-Capture USB 2.0 Audio Inter
2013/09/06 16:48:37
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Thanks for everyone's input but I have chosen to go for the Octa Capture, it works for my budget and it has automatic level setting which will save me a lot times when playing the drums, if gives you more bells and whistles for your dollar. I do feel like I am turning my back on Motu but overall OC is a great buy for recording drums, if I had more money I would shot for the Studio Capture now on to learning what is the best mic setup for drums 
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Re: MOTU 8pre 16x12 USB Audio Interface vs Roland UA-1010 Octa-Capture USB 2.0 Audio Inter
2013/09/06 20:47:33
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SuperG
I wouldn't think the quality of Roland's Studio Capture an issue... but I suppose auditioning it at a store along side the Motu would be the thing to do.
I see the Studio Capture competing directly against the Motu 896HD Hybrid. The Studio Capture has 12 pre's, the 896 has 8. The 896 more IO, as it can accept an additional 16 channels via adat, and it can interface to the computer via USB or Firewire.
Studio Capture 12 pre's - 16x10 USB
FX - bussed reverb for monitoring
Motu 896HD 8 pre's - 28x16 mix USB/Firewire
FX - bussed reverb for monitoring
Compressor (in chan,out chans)
LA style leveler (in chan,out chans)
EQ (in chan,out chans)
Price is about the same for the Roland and the Motu.
The skinny?
Roland - 4 more pre's
Motu - better mixer for live use (compression for drum kit, etc..), is expandable via adat (adat channels can be mixed within CUE mix..)
You've still got 6 balanced I/O in the MKIII, you could find pre's with output and plug into that...
The Roland has a compressor on each input.
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Re: MOTU 8pre 16x12 USB Audio Interface vs Roland UA-1010 Octa-Capture USB 2.0 Audio Inter
2013/09/07 20:50:47
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The Studio Captures have 12 low impedance phantom powered inputs plus an additional 4 trs inputs to make a total of 16 ins and 10 outs.
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Re: MOTU 8pre 16x12 USB Audio Interface vs Roland UA-1010 Octa-Capture USB 2.0 Audio Inter
2013/09/12 08:08:14
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I got the Octa Capture last night so far so good with recording drums with just kick snare and over head
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Re: MOTU 8pre 16x12 USB Audio Interface vs Roland UA-1010 Octa-Capture USB 2.0 Audio Inter
2013/09/12 09:56:14
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Notation, the original DAW. Everything else is just rote. We are who we are and no more than another. Humans, you people are crazy. Win 7 x64 X2 Intel DX58SO, Intel i7 920 2.66ghz 12gb DDR3 ASUS ATI EAH5750 650w PSU 4x WD HDs 320gb DVD, DVD RW Eleven Rack, KRK Rokit 8s and 10s sub
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Re: MOTU 8pre 16x12 USB Audio Interface vs Roland UA-1010 Octa-Capture USB 2.0 Audio Inter
2013/09/12 10:06:50
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Guitarpima
Cool! Enjoy the new toy!
I see you have it also so a question for you when using the auto-sense when I tested with it, it never stopped on it's own is that how it is suppose to work that you have to stop it or you just play a while and manually stop it?
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Re: MOTU 8pre 16x12 USB Audio Interface vs Roland UA-1010 Octa-Capture USB 2.0 Audio Inter
2013/09/12 15:00:18
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You have to stop it. I don't know why they did not make it like a 10 second thing and then shut off automatically.
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Re: MOTU 8pre 16x12 USB Audio Interface vs Roland UA-1010 Octa-Capture USB 2.0 Audio Inter
2013/09/12 15:37:22
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Guitarpima
You have to stop it. I don't know why they did not make it like a 10 second thing and then shut off automatically.
Thanks I was wondering that do you trust the settings of the auto-sense? I made my snare drum mic a little lower than I liked I was using an Audix I5 but over all good unit so far. Is there anything I need to be aware of that you can think of?
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Re: MOTU 8pre 16x12 USB Audio Interface vs Roland UA-1010 Octa-Capture USB 2.0 Audio Inter
2013/09/12 20:51:40
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I saw a video from Mr. Children over at Puremix and he says that audio interfaces, AI, have their sweet spot. I would think that the auto sens would set it there. That's why I've been doing. You also have to take into consideration gain staging. What might seem low in the track will be louder in the busses.
You really have to experiment though.
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