Moving files to new Machine

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2013/09/08 21:56:03 (permalink)

Moving files to new Machine

What is the correct way to move my project and audio files to a new computer? I also want to put them on my second drive. I am using a Passport external  which has my backup from my old Vista machine running X1e. Using Windows explorer, I drag and drop my project files from the Passport to my new Machine running X2a. My question is can I drag and drop my files to the 2nd hard drive on the new machine?  I know I need to change something in Sonar, but what?  I truly need help. I have read and read till I am crossed eyed. That is one way to have dual monitors. Ha Ha !
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    robert_e_bone
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    Re: Moving files to new Machine 2013/09/08 22:32:21 (permalink)
    I am not quite sure what you are trying to do, from your post.
     
    There is nothing magical about Sonar project folders.  If you are using per-project audio folders, then you can move any Sonar project folder around to your heart's content, in terms of having backups.
     
    If you are seeking to move the default location where Sonar STORES/ACCESSES project folders, then you go into Edit>Preferences>File>Folder Locations, and point to the folder location you want to use for the default project folder location for Sonar.
     
    But, if you are just wanting to make a copy of a folder, you can just copy and paste it wherever you like.
     
    I hope that helps - please explain if I completely missed the mark on what you are needing assistance with.
     
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    Re: Moving files to new Machine 2013/09/08 22:43:41 (permalink)
    First, Thanks Bob for responding. You have the correct idea of my plan. I just want to move my old project from the old to the new machines 2nd drive. I see where I can browse and make the change in the project folder location. What about in the Global Audio Data folder.
    I just want to do it right. I love Sonar and my disability gives me more time to learn. Once again, Bob, many Thanks.
     
     

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    Re: Moving files to new Machine 2013/09/08 22:49:10 (permalink)
    The Global Audio Data folder is set in Preferences > File > Audio Data although there should not be much in there if you use per-project folders.

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    Re: Moving files to new Machine 2013/09/08 22:51:01 (permalink)
    You need to reinstall Sonar and I would put it in the default folders on the c: drive unless you want to have problems. 

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    Re: Moving files to new Machine 2013/09/08 22:56:03 (permalink)
    Can I drag and drop from my Passport to the 2nd HDD? The audio and project.cwp files will be the only thing on the 2nd HDD. I called and spoke to Cakewalk help desk and was told that it wouldn't make much difference in performance of my new machine. I have read way too much on this forum to know better than believe that. So, that is why I am asking before I jump. Measure twice or three times, cut once.

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    Re: Moving files to new Machine 2013/09/08 23:01:07 (permalink)
    Thanks Dave for your response. It sounds like you speak from experience about having problems. Are you saying do not move my project files from the default folders at all. Or only during a reinstall of Sonar?

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    Re: Moving files to new Machine 2013/09/08 23:18:36 (permalink)
    Yes, drag and drop the project and audio folders will work. Just make sure folder locations are defined correctly in SONAR so it knows where to look for things.
     
    I have not had any issues with not having projects or the default audio folders on the C: drive but I here is how I set it all up.  The Project Folder and Default Audio Folders are the same in my setup (in my case "E:\Cakewalk Projects"). I always user per-project foldes and always have the "Store project audio in its own folder" checked. Since the audio is stored in each project, the "Default Audio Folder" is only a temporary storage location. Because SONAR really wants a "C:\Cakewalk Projects" directory, I create a junction with the DOS command mklink /j "C:\Cakewalk Projects" "E:\Cakewalk Projects" where "E:\Cakewalk Projects" is the actual path to your Default Audio Folder.
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    Re: Moving files to new Machine 2013/09/08 23:47:23 (permalink)
    You made the DOS changes thru the command prompt using mklink /j "C:\Cakewalk Projects" "E:\Cakewalk Projects.
    Is that part really safe to do?       Just wondering?
     

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    Re: Moving files to new Machine 2013/09/08 23:49:56 (permalink)
    I have never had a problem using mklink at the cmd prompt.
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    Re: Moving files to new Machine 2013/09/08 23:56:36 (permalink)
    Scook, where is your computer and hardware info?

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    Re: Moving files to new Machine 2013/09/08 23:58:34 (permalink)
    You can't just move program folders in Windows. The registry has to be changed and that is not something that can be done easily or at all. If you want to move your projects, that's ok. You'll have to tell Sonar where you moved them to when you load the project. Relocating the program is another story. 

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    Re: Moving files to new Machine 2013/09/09 00:06:49 (permalink)
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    Scook, where is your computer and hardware info?


    You are the first to ask for it. I cannot recall ever posting a question that required that information. If it helps:
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    Re: Moving files to new Machine 2013/09/09 01:44:48 (permalink)
    Scook, I meant no harm in asking what kind of computer you have. Sorry about that. I try to learn from everyone.

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    Re: Moving files to new Machine 2013/09/09 07:18:41 (permalink)
    Install the software for Sonar on the C drive in the new machine and let it use all the defaults. 
     
    Then simply copy the folders and song files off the external drive into the second HDD on the new machine.
     
    waa laa... you're done.
     
    When you work on NEW songs, let Sonar store them in the default Cakewalk Projects folder in the C drive. When you finish the song, simply do a CUT on the new folder and PASTE it to the folder in the second HDD.
     
    Should you ever need to revisit a song in that second HDD, simple click OPEN in Sonar and navigate to the disk where the song is located.
     
    I use this very method and use an external as a quick back up. It is possible to open the older folders from the second HDD as well as from the external USB drive.
     
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    Re: Moving files to new Machine 2013/09/09 08:01:27 (permalink)
    Well, there are usually multiple ways to accomplish something.
     
    The install of X2 creates a default projects folder at: C:\\Cakewalk Projects.  During my X2 install, I specified D:\\Cakewalk Content, rather than use the default on the C: drive of the same name.
     
    Immediately upon completing my install, I created a folder on a different hard drive: D:\\Cakewalk Projects, and can't recall if I created a sub-folder for Audio Library or if I was able to point to it in the install, but either way that's where I set the global audio folder to be.  I use per-project audio sub-folders within each project folder anyways, so the only time that pops up is when I am exporting audio.
     
    Anyways, I made sure the folders were all specified as I wanted them to be in Preferences, and that was the end of that.
     
    My old projects were all simply pasted into the D:\\Cakewalk Projects folder, and with the audio folders all contained within each project, that was the end of it.
     
    I never went back and deleted the empty C:\\Cakewalk Projects folder - don't know if it matters - it never mattered to me.
     
    I also never went through the mechanics of any linking of any libraries or anything like that.
     
    It all just works for me, and if I ever choose a different scheme, then I only need to set things up however I want, and then will change whatever I need to in Preferences to tell Sonar where anything has moved to.
     
    It's really pretty trivial to do, and you can change it whenever you want.  For me I did it for performance reasons, as I have plenty of space on all of my hard drives.
     
    Hope that helps, 
     
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    post edited by robert_e_bone - 2013/09/09 08:10:29

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    Re: Moving files to new Machine 2013/09/09 08:13:34 (permalink)
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    Can I drag and drop from my Passport to the 2nd HDD? The audio and project.cwp files will be the only thing on the 2nd HDD. I called and spoke to Cakewalk help desk and was told that it wouldn't make much difference in performance of my new machine. I have read way too much on this forum to know better than believe that. So, that is why I am asking before I jump. Measure twice or three times, cut once.


    If I were you, I wouldn't CUT & Paste, I'd COPY & Paste, for 2 reasons:
     
    1. You eliminate any possibility of a project becoming corrupted during cut/paste due to power issues
    2. You end up with a backup copy of all your projects

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    Re: Moving files to new Machine 2013/09/09 08:49:57 (permalink)
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    Scook, I meant no harm in asking what kind of computer you have. Sorry about that. I try to learn from everyone.


    Don't worry about it, no harm done. I hope you get the new machine going to your satisfaction. It is not that difficult. Install SONAR on the C: drive with the OS and put your projects and audio data folders where ever you want. Copy your old projects and audio data and move on. Running your projects off a second internal drive is a good idea. As is using per-project folders with audio stored in the project folder.
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    Re: Moving files to new Machine 2013/09/09 09:48:48 (permalink)
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    Can I drag and drop from my Passport to the 2nd HDD? The audio and project.cwp files will be the only thing on the 2nd HDD. I called and spoke to Cakewalk help desk and was told that it wouldn't make much difference in performance of my new machine. I have read way too much on this forum to know better than believe that. So, that is why I am asking before I jump. Measure twice or three times, cut once.


    If I were you, I wouldn't CUT & Paste, I'd COPY & Paste, for 2 reasons:
     
    1. You eliminate any possibility of a project becoming corrupted during cut/paste due to power issues
    2. You end up with a backup copy of all your projects


    Dang it - you scared me.  I thought I had said to 'cut' earlier.  I also do copy/paste followed by an explicit delete, rather than cut/paste, for those very reasons.
     
    Stop scaring me! :)
     
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    Re: Moving files to new Machine 2013/09/09 13:18:59 (permalink)
    Ha hah!
     
    Sorry Bob - didn't mean it 

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