Best option for recording vocals on laptop

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2013/09/10 11:25:58 (permalink)

Best option for recording vocals on laptop

My son is a singer and he usually records his vocals by singing along with wavs (complete backing tracks) he receives from other musicians. After that he sends the recording of his vocals (without the backing track) back as one wav and the musicians put it all together for the final production.
 
Up to know he used Audicity and a Behringer USB mic. This doesn't work too well... (obviously, I suppose). The quality isn't too bad but the vocals never sync after recording them so he spends a lot of time getting things in sync only to hear if a recording is ok or not.
 
Now his laptop is almost dead so he is looking at a new one and he also wants a better solution for recording his vocals. Main problem is that money is tight. As usual.
 
There are several options:
 
1. get a new laptop that's good enough to run Sonar X2 and use that to record everything on.
 
2. get a new laptop that's just good enough to run Sonar X2 and also get an external sound card to use for recording
 
3. get a new cheap laptop for interet etc. and get some special device for recording vocals (I sometimes see those little 'machines' with build in mic that he might use but I've got no clue if you can sing along with backing tracks)
 
Option 1 and 2 are best, I guess, but option 2 might cost too much... But I doubt if there are laptops that have a good enough soundcard onboard to do it all without external soundcard.
 
So... maybe some of you have some good advice? What are good laptops for sound recording? Or should he get a (cheap0 USB external soundcard? Or speciial hardware? Maybe you have some other tips?

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    Guitarhacker
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    Re: Best option for recording vocals on laptop 2013/09/10 12:47:14 (permalink)
    With a lap top, no matter which way you go, the interface will have to be external.
     
    So, forget the laptop, and focus on the interface and the mic.
     
    Get a decent USB based external interface which uses ASIO drivers.  Get something by Focusrite, M-Audio, Presonus, Roland.....  Be sure it has phantom power and audio preamps built in. Focusrite and others will meet this standard.
     
    Purchase a nice condenser mic. A condenser needs phantom power from the interface, and is a good all around mic for vocals and guitar as well as most audio applications.
     
    Depending on where and what you buy, the budget should be $200 to $500 for these 2 items.  Check out Gauge mics for decent mics at low prices.
     
    Don't skimp on these 2 items.... they are critical to getting a good sound and a smooth running DAW.

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    Re: Best option for recording vocals on laptop 2013/09/10 13:26:40 (permalink)
    Thanks for the reply. Yes, I already expected that answer. ;)
     
    My son is thinking about getting an Asus VivoBook X202E-CT009H laptop (with a touchscreen: could be nice for Sonar X2).
     
    For soundcard we are looking at one of the cheaper but (afaik) still rather good USB interfaces: the M-Audio M-Track: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MTrack.html
     
    The mic would be a Behringer C1 (not the USB version but the phantom powered one). Not exactly the best, but we've got one lying around here so... that makes the choice easy.
     
    Yes, both the M-Track and the mic are on the cheap side but as said, money is a problem and together with the laptop the budget already won't be enough. The main question is: is that M-Track good enough and will the laptop keep up with it.
     
    Don't forget that up to now my son used a USB mic and Audicity and the tracks he recorded are used anyway worldwide: I suppose the hardware I mentioned above should at LEAST improve things a little. You could say the MAIN reason for looking at all this is convenience: being able to record and edit in Sonar X2 instead of having to use Audicity and end up with out of sync recordings that have to be edited before you can listen to them.

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    Re: Best option for recording vocals on laptop 2013/09/10 13:34:20 (permalink)
    You might want to get a hand held recorder - korg or tascam.  I picked up a decent one for -$100.  Mic/preamps OK.  They'll record the voice as a wave file and you can just pull it off via usb.  You can input your own mic if you get a preamp.  A few more bucks might get you a 4 track that he could have the music on, too, for sync purposes.
     
    Otherwise, I'd get a desktop and interface and go whole hog.  You can get a good desk for the same money you'd pay for a crappy lappy and continue to have problems.  When you cut corners to save money, you make up for it in headaches.  A suitable desktop (get an hp or sony) starts at $400.  Add a 2nd hard drive and monitor for $60 and $70+ each.  Add a starter interface for $150 and mic - sub $100.  He'll be set to go for the next couple of years unless he gets serious, but I did good music (and including vocals) on a similiar set up for years.
     
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    Re: Best option for recording vocals on laptop 2013/09/10 13:36:43 (permalink)
    Gauge USA makes some really nice mics and the price is under $100 for some of them.
     
    With a touch screen laptop, he might want to look into MC6touch. It's much less costly than X2 and from the sound of what you say, MC6t with a decent 2 channel interface and mic is all he would need to do vocal tracks.

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    Re: Best option for recording vocals on laptop 2013/09/10 13:41:00 (permalink)
    The problem with those handheld devices is (afaik) you can only record one track... On a laptop with Sonar X2 it is far easier to record various bits of vocals or use loop recording etc. With that handheld you can record one track, you have to move it to the laptop, sync it, etc... doesn't sound to convenient.
     
    Concerning the laptop and desktop: I didn't want to make the OP longer than necessary but my son has no other option than a laptop due to circumstances. I myself have a desktop and don't even want to THINK about making music on a laptop, but he of course ONLY records his vocals and nothing more: it's not that he is going to create complete arrangements on the laptop.
     
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    Guitarhacker posted while I was typing. ;) I will check out MC6touch!
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    Re: Best option for recording vocals on laptop 2013/09/10 13:52:53 (permalink)
    Music Creator 6 would be plenty for doing vocal overdubs.
    Reaper 4.5x would also be a good inexpensive choice for this task.
     
    I wouldn't waste money on a cheap laptop.
    Spend that money getting a decent USB audio interface (Presonus Audiobox series offers low round-trip latency, decent mic preamps, and they're reasonably priced).
    Regarding the mic, your son should go audition several budget condensers... and choose the one most flattering to his voice.
    Studio Projects make good/affordable condenser mics.

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    Re: Best option for recording vocals on laptop 2013/09/10 15:44:33 (permalink)
    Ah, ya, computers. Well, a computer for audio recording does not have to be that good, especially if not recording a bunch of tracks (bunches of tracks and some soft synths where a newer faster computer can really help).
     
    What is more important is setting up the computer for audio recording and tweaking the computer (if Windows) to use as a DAW (digital audio workstation).
     
    There is all that stuff to look at on the Internet doing a search, but one program that may help besides setting up Windows correctly in taking everything it does automatically - off and everything like that is find out how the computer responds and if any drivers are affecting it for streaming audio and such.
     
    http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml
     
    To me a computer just does not go about dead, it is either dead or needs to be set up to record audio.
    If XP, it may seem like it is old (mine is going on 7 years now, although I have a newer Windows 7 computer now), but I can record 54 tracks of audio on it, and it still works fine (with the software I have - Sonar 7). So yes, updates are fine and all of that (software wise) but depending on how much you use the computer and still if everything works with it and drivers are up to date as much as they can be - setting up the computer is more important, then just rushing out and buying any ol' computer. Some work better than others, and considering everything, I guess I check out the old computer first and tweak it to record audio the best that it can.
     
    Just saying my XP computer still works fine to record with if I want to, and in some respects I like it better than Windows 7 and although some people like Windows 8, well that is a different subject with me.
     
    For recording anything an audio/interface is way better than a sound card, can cost about the same and if drivers for the OS you are using are really updated or work good, then all will be well with recording.
     
    http://www.sweetwater.com/shop/computer-audio/audio_interfaces/
     
    Not the only place besides local places online or in your area and not an endorsement for any company, but just a place that can show you what an audio/interface cost.
     
    If you do not have or greater than IC7H USB bus ports, then forget USB devices, because that is what is needed, and usually like I said even my old XP computer can use my USB audio/interface.
     
    So I would find out first how to set up the existing computer and really think if it is as dead as you think it is, or else just needs some tweaking, perhaps a better program like Music Creator to use to record, and a better mic then going hog-wild but you can if you want to with spending. You can get $8000 mics also, or so, but do you really think everyone buys those kind of microphones??
     
    Doing a search for reviews of equipment can be done also. Depends on your ears I guess in the end.
     
    Of course I use my audio/interface for my sound card in my computer, it sounds better than most soundcards, but still both are different, one perhaps to listen to music better, and the other to play games on the computer perhaps with surround sound whatever. All of that can be similiar but then I rather listen to my audio/interface knowing what a sound card really sounds like and how it really records audio - live - not as good in my opinion.
     
    Oh, P.S.
    I  do play a couple of computer games and watch movies and watch youtube videos with the audio/interface I have also.
    Everything connected with sound on the computer. The main thing is making sure the computer works for audio in the first place by tweaking it.
     
     
     
     
     
     
    post edited by spacealf - 2013/09/10 16:09:26

     
     
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    Re: Best option for recording vocals on laptop 2013/09/10 16:25:33 (permalink)
    I would put most of my money into a decent mic/preamp/interface. Those will outlast every laptop or computer he grows with as the years progress. A decent mic/pre will last him decades. If his room is untreated I'd take a look at hi end dymanics.
     
    A high end dynamic is about the same price a lower mid priced condenser. (Decent dynamics start at 100 and the hi end ones go to 400ish) Though they may be a bit high, remember - LIFETIME if taken care of. Most dynamics are meant for stage and road use, so they can really take a beating and sound great in an untreated room. Just needs a decent pre amp for them to really shine. A built in preamp in a interface can work well as well in a pinch and you can upgrade to a decent preamp down the road. (Decent preamps start in the low low range of 300 and go up to 1000)
     
    Computers come and go, are outdated and continue dropping in price. I have sought after 60s/70s Electrovoice/Shure/Audix dynamics and decades later still work wonderfully after a full lifetime of use to another musician/singer. They hold their value well, still while being very inexpensive and are incredibly tough while sounding great. Plus incredibly versatile if he wants to record other instruments or singers.
     
    TLDR; Buy a dynamic mic, decent preamp/interface and then worry about his computer last. The first two can outlast him a few computer upgrades and the mic/preamp will last him his lifetime if taken care of and then some.
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    Re: Best option for recording vocals on laptop 2013/09/12 09:42:07 (permalink)
    Absolutely..... spend the money on the gear that will make the biggest bang for the buck.
     
    BUY: Interface with clean, built in, pre amps and phantom power with a nice condenser microphone.
     
    Just about any computer can run Cakewalk's Music Creator, even the older ones. My old Dell lappy is 7+ years old with only a Duo Core processor and limited memory (compared with today's budget lappys) and it ran MC flawlessly. Of course, I spent some money ($700 at the time) on the interface (Focusrite) and the  mic (Rode) and they are still working fine on my more modern and capable custom built desk top DAW.

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    Re: Best option for recording vocals on laptop 2013/09/12 22:13:37 (permalink)
    I agree! Even though he is lusting after a nice new laptop, it's actually the least important part needed. The interface is the heart of any DAW studio.  I use an old Toshiba 2.5/ 1.5 Gigs of RAM, 7200 RPM drive ( most important item really)  XP 32 bit laptop with Sonar and it will record 12+ tracks live no problem,  the audio is perfectly fine. Overdubs a in sync etc. You just cannot over do efxs and VST instruments. 
    Any proper audio interface is 100% better than using the on board on a $2,000 state of the art laptop. 
     
    Protable options:  
    I have a Tascam DR 40 that has 4 track capability that would work super fine for what he's doing, $140. It has XLR and the built in mikes. I can hook it up via USB and it becomes a external drive. You can drag and drop files. I havn't done any multi track overdubs as I have no need of this, but my friend and his kids recorded a complete song on his this way so it must work.  
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