didap
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Lexicon PCM, LXP or MPX reverb in X2?
Can somebody tell me the difference in math quality between these three plugins from Lexicon? I know there should be no difference between PCM and LXP, beside the number of algorithmes, but MPX?? MPX is really cheap, I saw that you can buy it online for about $ 65,-
And who has experience with working in X2 with (one of) these plugins?
I am talking about the 64 bit versions.
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Re: Lexicon PCM, LXP or MPX reverb in X2?
2013/09/11 11:47:32
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☄ Helpfulby didap 2013/09/12 20:26:05
Michael Carnes is the man behind many of the classic Lexicon hardware reverb algorithms. He now owns Exponential Audio (creates high quality reverb plugins) http://www.exponentialaudio.com/About.php I'd recommend Phoenix Verb over any of the Lexicon offerings (sounds more natural). Auditioning with acoustic drum kit (reveals any nasty ringing/overtones in the reverb), Phoenix Verb sounds like a high-end hardware reverb.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: Lexicon PCM, LXP or MPX reverb in X2?
2013/09/11 11:56:12
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You might want to give Harman a call and ask them if they have anyone there who knows anything about the PCM, LXP, or MPX reverb VSTs that you can speak with. I think you'll find out that it is on sale because it is a legacy product and they are just selling what they can with out regard for an ability to support it with further development or patches. best regards, mike didap
Can somebody tell me the difference in math quality between these three plugins from Lexicon? I know there should be no difference between PCM and LXP, beside the number of algorithmes, but MPX?? MPX is really cheap, I saw that you can buy it online for about $ 65,-
And who has experience with working in X2 with (one of) these plugins?
I am talking about the 64 bit versions.
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didap
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Re: Lexicon PCM, LXP or MPX reverb in X2?
2013/09/11 12:10:23
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mike_mccue
You might want to give Harman a call and ask them if they have anyone there who knows anything about the PCM, LXP, or MPX reverb VSTs that you can speak with.
I think you'll find out that it is on sale because it is a legacy product and they are just selling what they can with out regard for an ability to support it with further development or patches.
best regards,
mike
didap
Can somebody tell me the difference in math quality between these three plugins from Lexicon? I know there should be no difference between PCM and LXP, beside the number of algorithmes, but MPX?? MPX is really cheap, I saw that you can buy it online for about $ 65,-
And who has experience with working in X2 with (one of) these plugins?
I am talking about the 64 bit versions.
OK, but that doesn't mean they are bad. For me they are outstanding quality. I listened to exponential audio reverbs. Impressive too. I will try their/his demo version too. I learned a lot about mastering and mixing by some SAE courses. Good teachers and they 'judge' your work in a very positive way. And as of X2... I think the same about this product. New hate with X1 and X2, but a lot of old love for Cakewalk, still... With every new realease I hope they will return in their policy and show more respect to all the old users of 8.5.3 (that left now?).
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Re: Lexicon PCM, LXP or MPX reverb in X2?
2013/09/11 13:39:53
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☄ Helpfulby didap 2013/09/12 20:25:27
keeping in mind that there are a LOT of factors in play here (personal taste, your ears, your monitoring environment, etc)...
I have an LXP-1, LXP-5, and PCM-90 in my rack. There is no question, in my room, to my ears, that the PCM sounds WAY better than the LXP-1. This applies to mixes as well as solo'd tracks. However, I only have one PCM-90, so unless I am printing I have to use it sparingly, and I have no problem substituting the LXP on certain tracks. In some cases I like the LXP better... but not often<G>!
As far as plug-in reverbs go, I'd have to agree with Mike, it's darned difficult to beat the Exponential Audio plug-ins. The Aether stuff comes close, and all of them come close to the hardware... in fact I don't think you can say that any one of the three sounds better. You might say one works better on a specific project, or even track, but they are all wonderful sounding reverbs. Another one that fits with this group is the UA 224... although it is a lot more difficult to use (can you really have too many parameters?) I also liked the Relab LX480.
FTR, I've had the good fortune to use the hardware 480 and 300, and they sound great! I might even be tempted to say better, but that would be based on memory, and of course some bias that comes naturally from being in the same room as these revered devices<G>!
I also tried the demo versions of the Lexicon PCM and LXP plug-ins. I thought the LXP was remarkably similar to my hardware, I could usually tell the difference, but I could not tell you which was which - or even which I liked better, they were slightly (slightly) different, especially for the LXP-5 patches. The PCM plugin did not fare quite as well, I almost always preferred the hardware version. I did not make a big effort to match parameters exactly because, well, because I already had the hardware and wasn't going to buy the plug-in, so I don't have any faith in that evaluation.
I think once you get into the realm of high end reverbs it becomes as much a matter of taste, or possibly ease of use (or even included presets?). If I were to purchase a reverb plug-in today it would be one or both of the Exponential Audio plugs. If they weren't available it would probably come down to Aether vs Relab, and I can't really tell which one would win... probably come down to price<G>!
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Re: Lexicon PCM, LXP or MPX reverb in X2?
2013/09/11 15:45:53
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Thanks a lot for this answer Bill, I am really greatfull for all the stuff you bring in here. The LXP was already high on my wishlist, I will compare it now to the Exponential Audio demo which I will use in my next project! For the moment the hardware way is not the way for me to go, though I understand how valuable it could be.
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Re: Lexicon PCM, LXP or MPX reverb in X2?
2013/09/12 20:13:00
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Waiting for your impressions about the Exponential audio reverbs ! I 'm hesitating as well between Lexicon and Relab, but the Exponential Audio reverb GUI seem to be easier, well-spaced and refined, and if the sound is top notch  I'm looking essentially for a vocal reverb
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Jim Roseberry
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Re: Lexicon PCM, LXP or MPX reverb in X2?
2013/09/13 09:40:28
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Hi Peter,
You won't be disappointed with the Exponential Audio reverbs.
They sound very natural... very smooth (no odd/metallic ringing)
Audition with acoustic drum kit... and set the plugin to 100% wet.
That'll instantly show the quality
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Re: Lexicon PCM, LXP or MPX reverb in X2?
2013/09/13 11:10:39
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You can't have a reverb thread without somebody recommending ValhallaDSP products, so I'll get that obligatory mention out of the way: Vintage and VRoom are 50 bucks apiece and then (IMO) you're set for reverbs.
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Re: Lexicon PCM, LXP or MPX reverb in X2?
2013/09/13 11:26:27
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Thanks Jim for the feedback !
I invested into EWQL Spaces, and despite the fact it brings something, in a context of a whole mix, it lacks "character", it's too discreet. I have the lite version of the Tsar reverb coming from the Softube mix bundle and don't really like the tone it confers; I don't even speak about the Sonitus and Breverb reverbs, although they can be always useful for minimal tasks...
As far the IK CSR, I didn't like it at the beginning but after some applications, it appears to "embellish" correctly the solo source materials, but still lacks this "plus" (depht but also presence) that big name reverbs seem to have.
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Re: Lexicon PCM, LXP or MPX reverb in X2?
2013/09/13 14:04:15
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bitflipper
You can't have a reverb thread without somebody recommending ValhallaDSP products, so I'll get that obligatory mention out of the way: Vintage and VRoom are 50 bucks apiece and then (IMO) you're set for reverbs. Indeed! I am really happy with Valhalla Vintage, haven't spent time with their room reverb because of the other tools I have, but I do love Vintage.
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Re: Lexicon PCM, LXP or MPX reverb in X2?
2013/09/13 21:27:03
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peter434
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Re: Lexicon PCM, LXP or MPX reverb in X2?
2013/09/15 08:28:50
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Jim,
Since you have R2 and Phoenix :
could you compare the exponential audio reverbs with the Valhalla ones ?
Thanks
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Re: Lexicon PCM, LXP or MPX reverb in X2?
2013/09/15 09:12:39
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I bought both but I hardly ever use the Valhalla stuff. I thought I'd use the Valhalla as the lite cpu rig, but it seems like the x° stuff is very efficient.
I still think it is a good idea to buy both.
Best regards,
mike
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Re: Lexicon PCM, LXP or MPX reverb in X2?
2013/09/15 10:14:19
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Hi Mike,
Could you tell a little more about the difference between the two brand ? Is the EA far superior to Valhalla ?
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Re: Lexicon PCM, LXP or MPX reverb in X2?
2013/09/15 11:33:56
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If you want something that sounds like an affordable reverb box from the 1990s then Valhalla Room is awesome.
If you want a reverb sound that doesn't sound like you have used any reverb, but just happened to record in the most ideal place for the content you have recorded, then the Exponential Audio is awesome.
On it's best day, Valhalla sounds like a great effect and that can be just what you want. The Exponential Audio reverbs make stuff sound rich, full and deluxe without revealing that you have used an effect.
I'd encourage you to demo both.
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Re: Lexicon PCM, LXP or MPX reverb in X2?
2013/09/15 12:24:35
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Re: Lexicon PCM, LXP or MPX reverb in X2?
2013/09/15 15:00:15
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Mike and Carl : Thank you very much for the precisions !
"The Exponential Audio reverbs make stuff sound rich, full and deluxe without revealing that you have used an effect." :
Very important quality ! :Maybe this is for that I mainly struggle with other reverbs that sound "rich" on a solo track but needed to increase the tail in a whole mix !
Concerning the audio demo on the EA site, It's a pity that there is not solo vocal singers...
Thanks again
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