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Kontakt 5 in Sonar X2
Hi all,
Can anyone please help with me with how to route MIDI tracks to Kontakt in Sonar X2?
When I insert Kontakt I select 'simple instrument track' which works fine, but when I load a second instrument in Kontakt & assign it to different MIDI channel I get no sound.
What am I doing wrong?
Thanks, Chris
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Re: Kontakt 5 in Sonar X2
September 11, 13 7:55 AM
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Create a new Midi track, assign the output to Kontakt and make it Midi channel 2 and make the new instrument in Kontakt assigned to Midi track 2.
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Re: Kontakt 5 in Sonar X2
September 11, 13 8:33 AM
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That's what I've done but it's still not working & I don't understand why.
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Re: Kontakt 5 in Sonar X2
September 11, 13 9:32 AM
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Hang on a sec - I have to dig out my earlier reply to this situation, and in a few minutes I will post a lengthy explanation of loading multiple instruments within a single instance of Kontakt, and setting it all up and all of that. I just have to search for the link, Bob Bone
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Re: Kontakt 5 in Sonar X2
September 11, 13 9:46 AM
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OK - I have added some links below, which get into a great amount of detail as to the whole process of loading multiple instruments into Kontakt, and using Kontakt's Output Routing section to set you up for making instrument-specific output available to audio tracks for each instrument. The real short answer to your original question is that Kontakt automatically INCREMENTS the midi channel number for every new instrument that gets loaded, so if you have strings loaded and then add electric piano, strings will by default be on midi channel 1, and electric piano will by default be on midi channel 2. I never use simple instrument tracks, and in the links below, I have regular audio tracks used in the walkthrough. I CAN tell you that several folks have followed my recipe and have had success, and although there are different ways of doing things, this particular way DOES work, and it is the method I choose all the time. http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/2853353 And http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/2816689 Please let me know if the above answers your questions. I would also be happy to explain anything in those links that might be confusing or incomplete. Bob Bone
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Re: Kontakt 5 in Sonar X2
September 11, 13 9:49 AM
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Bob's gonna give you answer so I wont type a novel but I would avoid the simple instrument track method. For a complex multi timberal, multi out instrument like Kontakt it's too limiting.
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Re: Kontakt 5 in Sonar X2
September 11, 13 10:51 AM
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Sonar allows free routing of MIDI input and audio output for soft-synths. This can be confusing at first... but it's very flexible once you're up-to-speed. - Open a new test project in Sonar.
- In the Browser, use the Synth Rack to load Kontakt (for this example, make sure all Insert Soft Synth Options are unchecked)
Kontakt should now be loaded in the Synth Rack. Open Kontakt and load a sample library (I'll use The Giant for this example) Now we need a MIDI track setup to trigger The Giant... and we need an audio (output) track so we can hear the results. - In Sonar's Track View, add a MIDI Track and an Audio Track.
- Assign the MIDI Track's output to Kontakt and make sure the Input Echo button (blue) is enabled.
- Assign the Audio Track's input to the desired Kontakt output. (This can be confusing if using multi-output sample library)
It may help to think of Kontakt like a hardware synth with 64 outputs. You won't typically need to use all those outputs, be they're available (if necessary). Now... let's add a second sample library - Open Kontakt and load a second sample library. For this example, I'll load the Scarbee Pre Bass.
Each added library will default to the next available MIDI channel (in this case, the Scarbee Pre Bass will default to channel 2) As before, we need a MIDI Track to trigger the Pre Bass... and an Audio Track (output) to hear the results. - In Sonar's Track View, add a MIDI Track and an Audio Track.
- Assign the MIDI Track's output to Kontakt and make sure it's output channel is set to 2 (be sure the Input Echo button is enabled).
- Assign the Audio Track's input to the desired Kontakt output. (If you want the Piano and Bass isolated, set each to separate Kontakt outputs)
You should now be able to trigger/hear both sounds independently. MIDI channel 1 triggers the Piano. MIDI channel 2 triggers the Bass. In this example, you're manually creating/configuring the routing of each individual track (can be time consuming). It's a good idea to start there... so you understand the routing concepts. Save the result as a Track Template. That Track Template can then be loaded into any project. This is a great time-saver!
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Re: Kontakt 5 in Sonar X2
September 11, 13 12:32 AM
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Yup - My big long explanation is essentially the same kind of thing. I always manually configure the audio and midi tracks when working with soft synths - but that is just a preference thing. For ME, it helps me focus on exactly what I want to do, and I don't forget things when I set each instrument's routing assignments up one at a time. And I ABSOLUTELY agree that saving the completed track assignments as a track templates is the way to go, for common Kontakt setups. I would add that if you are going to end up with multiple Kontakt instances, due to how many instruments you are going to use Kontakt for, I would recommend that you rename each Kontakt instance to something more meaningful, such as Horns, Strings, or that sort of thing. It's easier on the brain. Bob Bone
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Re: Kontakt 5 in Sonar X2
September 11, 13 3:39 PM
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Just going to jump in here with my bi-monthly "this forum's the best" comment. Good, clear explanation guys.
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Re: Kontakt 5 in Sonar X2
September 12, 13 2:16 AM
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Bob and Jim, Thanks so much for your replies. The part where I run into trouble is routing the 2nd pair of tracks for Kontakt's second MIDI channel. Bob mentioned: As before, we need a MIDI Track to trigger the Pre Bass... and an Audio Track (output) to hear the results.- In Sonar's Track View, add a MIDI Track and an Audio Track.
- Assign the MIDI Track's output to Kontakt and make sure it's output channel is set to 2 (be sure the Input Echo button is enabled). HERE is where things go wrong. I set the MIDI track's input to MIDI Ch.2 and I get no sound, even though I've loaded the second instrument in Kontakt & it's assigned itself to MIDI Ch.2
Any ideas? Thanks, Chris
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Re: Kontakt 5 in Sonar X2
September 12, 13 2:47 AM
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OK - dumb question, but you would be suprised how often it catches people out. Are you sure the notes you are playing are in the instruments range? Pre-Bass as a lot of key switches and if you are playing them you will hear nothing.
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Re: Kontakt 5 in Sonar X2
September 12, 13 9:30 AM
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Well, as long as your midi keyboard controller is active in Sonar, and you have the midi track set to output midi data on channel 2, and you have the instrument loaded in Kontakt set to channel 2, and you are playing midi notes that fall within that instrument's playable range of notes, there's not too much that can go wrong. (or is there?) In addition to the above, there is still the matter of the audio track routing assignment for its input, to consider. If you have all of the above set up correctly, then I would think maybe the INPUT assignment for the audio track you have in your project for playing the output from that 2nd instrument that is loaded in Kontakt may not be set properly. Check that audio track;s INPUT routing assignment, and make sure it is picking up the proper output from Kontakt's Output Section. If you recall from my earlier instructions, Kontakt by default will send all loaded instrument output to the 1st set of audio outputs it has, and you have to add audio output channels to Kontakt's Output Section and set them up for each loaded instrument. What I had explained in those instructions was that MY approach to doing the above is to use a BATCH Function in Kontakt to Clear all output assignments and Create a New Output for Each Loaded Instrument. (Then I rename those to something more meaningful). So, after checking your audio track input routing assignment, go back into that instance of Kontakt, and make sure you have your 2nd loaded instrument sending its output to the correct audio outputs in the Output Section. There are 2 parts to checking that. First, look at the 2nd instrument in the multi-rack and you will see where it is sending its output. THAT has to be correct, AND also check the Output Section to make sure you have set that up properly, so that there are separate distinct outputs present for EACH loaded instrument in the multi-rack. Please check the above and post back, and we will get you going. Bob Bone
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Re: Kontakt 5 in Sonar X2
September 12, 13 10:27 AM
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I think I've worked out the OP's problem here. He's setting the MIDI track's input to Ch.2, not the MIDI channel of the track itself. The MIDI track's input is the channel on which it receives MIDI data, i.e. from your controller. The MIDI channel of the track is the one that you set in the "C" dropdown (underneath the FX bin). Set this to "2:Kontakt" and you should be fine (provided the output of the track is set to Kontakt).
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Re: Kontakt 5 in Sonar X2
September 12, 13 3:04 PM
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You know, I thought about that too, but had to run out and didn't ask that question. To the OP - well? :) (Could that be what is happening?) Bob Bone
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Re: Kontakt 5 in Sonar X2
September 12, 13 3:15 PM
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I'm going by the following quote from his last post: "HERE is where things go wrong. I set the MIDI track's input to MIDI Ch.2"
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Re: Kontakt 5 in Sonar X2
September 12, 13 4:06 PM
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Re: Kontakt 5 in Sonar X2
September 12, 13 4:23 PM
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Ok, when you've got the second library loaded (bass in my example), if you click on the virtual keyboard in Kontakt, do you hear the sound of the bass? If not, I'd have a look at Kontakt's current output assignment. Make sure the output to which the bass is routed... is routed to an audio track in Sonar.
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Re: Kontakt 5 in Sonar X2
September 12, 13 4:49 PM
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If you have more than one instrument loaded in Kontakt you need to select it in the instrument pane to access it via the keyboard in Kontakt.. This is the bottom left pane.
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Re: Kontakt 5 in Sonar X2
September 12, 13 5:24 PM
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sharke I'm going by the following quote from his last post: "HERE is where things go wrong. I set the MIDI track's input to MIDI Ch.2"
Good catch on that one, Sir. To the original poster, please review this and respond. Bob Bone
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Re: Kontakt 5 in Sonar X2
September 12, 13 7:16 PM
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You have enough knowledgeable folks to help work this out for you... but once you understand how the routing works with KONTAKT/SONAR it really is quite simple... not to minimize your troubles to the point now where I can fly in midi tracks and kontakt audio tracks at will without really thinking about it. You too will get there. Jim
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Re: Kontakt 5 in Sonar X2
September 13, 13 9:36 AM
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Thanks so much for your help, everyone. Apologies for the delay responding also, have been busy the past few days. The problem was as sharke mentioned - I hadn't set the MIDI channel of track 2 correctly. I've done this & now all is working fine. It's a bit embarassing, being a long-time Cakewalk user and not being able to figure this out but it's now solved :) Thanks so much once again.
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Re: Kontakt 5 in Sonar X2
September 13, 13 9:40 AM
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CDK Thanks so much for your help, everyone. Apologies for the delay responding also, have been busy the past few days. The problem was as sharke mentioned - I hadn't set the MIDI channel of track 2 correctly. I've done this & now all is working fine. It's a bit embarassing, being a long-time Cakewalk user and not being able to figure this out but it's now solved :) Thanks so much once again.
Glad it's working for you now....I've had MIDI channel confusion in the past too, so no need to be embarrassed...  ...in fact I still have to think carefully about it when I'm routing stuff.
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Re: Kontakt 5 in Sonar X2
September 13, 13 9:42 AM
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Now... save the result as a Track Template
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Re: Kontakt 5 in Sonar X2
September 13, 13 9:55 AM
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Mistakes are CRITICAL in the learning process. We know much of what we know from getting bit in the booty at some time in the past, and learning from the mistakes along the way. Glad it is sorted out for you - bet you learned from it, and if it happens to you again, you will hopefully remember what to do to fix the problem. Bob Bone
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