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2013/09/18 10:22:56 (permalink)

Input Monitoring Problem

Hi All!
 
I haven't really used "input monitoring" within my Sonar X1 Producer DAW while recording (I'm still running XP as well), but recently wanted to try and record using reverb just to get more of a feel of recording with effects. 
I followed all the directions that are available in the "Help" file as well as online instructions.
What I found was, before I actually hit "record" the input monitoring sounds awesome! No delay or glitches whatsoever, but "after" I actually begin to record something changes. I get a delay effect!
I'm using ASIO Drivers and I lowered the Buffer size to 256 samples which converts to 5.8 msec of latency.
Now everything I read states that if you can get your latency down to below 10 msec you should have no problem with these artifacts like delay or glitches etc.
Why would this still be a problem at such a low Sample Rate??

*Sonar PE 8.5.3 - Sonar X1 & X2 Producer Expanded
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    dude24man
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    Re: Input Monitoring Problem 2013/09/18 13:10:43 (permalink)
    try with your buffers @ 64 or 32!
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    dude24man
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    Re: Input Monitoring Problem 2013/09/18 13:18:56 (permalink)
    you mite wanna list your interface and computer specs. this will help people help you.
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    Re: Input Monitoring Problem 2013/09/18 13:25:07 (permalink)
    Harpo , some interfaces can allow through monitoring. Would that work for you? My interface also has effects like reverb. Also, different effects add different amounts of latency. Try pressing e to bypass all effects, then record. Try the sonitus reverb.

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    Re: Input Monitoring Problem 2013/09/18 13:52:53 (permalink)
    Perhaps you have some effects on one or more tracks that are introducing this delay?  
     
    Try hitting 'E' on your computer keyboard to toggle off/on all effects for the project.
     
    After bypassing the effects, see if you still have the delay.  If the delay goes away, then one or more of the plugins are causing the delay.  If not, then it is something else.  
     
    You can turn your effects back on by hitting the 'E' key again.
     
    Bob Bone

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    stxx
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    Re: Input Monitoring Problem 2013/09/18 14:09:24 (permalink)
     
     
    Now that I have a Fireface UFX , it has built in DSP so I don;t do the following any more but prior, I did this:
     
    - While tracking, I record and bypass all effects EXCEPT a reverb.    Do this by pressing "E" or the FX button on top
    - GO to where your reverb is , right click and uncheck bypass bin just for that bus
    -   set up a dummy channel for whoever you want to have reverb by cloning the input tracks excluding the events.  For me is was usually just the vocalist and / or maybe guitar.   This will give you your input already set up
     
    - Set  input monitoring on the  DUMMY track to on (press the button on the track)
    - assign a send on the dummy tracks to the reverb bus 
    - Set send to PRE
    -  PRE allows you to keep a consistent reverb level from the input signal 
    - Mute the actual DUMMY channel signal
    - when you record, do not record the dummy tracks
    - Test your signal by talking/ playing into the real and dummy channels and increase the reverb send ONLY on the dummy channel until you get a the balance you want.  The reverb signal is coming through the DAW inputs back through the interface so there may be a tiny bit of delay but since you muted the actual direct signal, for tracking purposes, it really is almost un-noticeable
    -   Also, it IS important to disable all your other effect as to avoid delays tracking as well as ensuring your recording won't glitch as effect use a lot of resources that you really don;t need while tracking
    - This method is crude worked well for me and consistently
    - U need one dummy track per input source you need reverb for but again, should only be one or two.  Other methods just never gave me the proper results
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    Re: Input Monitoring Problem 2013/09/18 18:02:08 (permalink)
    I have a ufx aswell. I leave my buffers at 1024 and always track real time with verb and delay! no need for input monitoring any more! now if protools got there **** together, weed be all set!!!!!!!!!  
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    Re: Input Monitoring Problem 2013/09/19 08:51:16 (permalink)
    Great suggestions everybody!
    I'll try these as soon as I go into the studio today. I'll then post the results!
     
    Thanks everyone!!

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    Re: Input Monitoring Problem 2014/02/13 16:40:56 (permalink)
    I'am new to sonar, could someone help me with Monitoring myself while recording a vocal track.  I have sonar X3
     
                                   I would appreciate  any advice
     
                                                            thanks
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