Aria player keeps going to about 5% of its normal volume

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2013/09/21 00:30:03 (permalink)

Aria player keeps going to about 5% of its normal volume

This happened to me once before.  I was working along and suddenly all the channels on my Aria 64-bit player went dead.  Actually they were still playing but only at a whisper level.  I couldn't find any setting that cause this.  Even saving the project, shutting down SONAR and launching the project didn't get it back.  The only way I could restore the normal volume was by going into Aria, dropping the samples, and loading them again.  This it worked normally.
 
I went for a month without incident, even though I use the Aria player a lot.
 
Tonight I built a new project and this started happening again.  But this time, the instruments keep going away.  I am just editing the lengths of MIMI notes, and about every 10 seconds, the volume goes away.  I've probably had to reload these samples 15 times tonight.
 
Has this happened to anybody else?  I think I can run those same samples on Dimension, so I may try that next to see if it is an Aria problem.

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    Re: Aria player keeps going to about 5% of its normal volume 2013/09/21 01:05:06 (permalink)
    I had some problems in the past with Aria - but it was mostly due to misunderstanding. I do know that Aria uses the mod wheel as a volume/expression control - they recommend not using CC 11 (expression) or CC 2 (breath) at the same time as things could get hairy.

    The problems that I had were related to volume were having a CC 11 at the start of the midi I was using which would override the mod setting whenever I stopped. I also misunderstood the meaning of the 'zero controllers' setting in the project midi settings dialog. I learned a lot by examining the event list view and checking for codes which modify volume.
     
    Another thing to check for is to make sure you don't have any automation which can modify things as well. In fact, having both automation and hard events in the event view can be a recipe for disaster - since both can modify the same parameters. (There is a way to take the midi controller events and import them into an automation lane...but that is another topic..)

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    Re: Aria player keeps going to about 5% of its normal volume 2013/09/21 08:53:40 (permalink)
    SuperG
    I had some problems in the past with Aria - but it was mostly due to misunderstanding. I do know that Aria uses the mod wheel as a volume/expression control - they recommend not using CC 11 (expression) or CC 2 (breath) at the same time as things could get hairy.



    Thanks.  I'll look into that.  I imported the MIDI from an unknown Internet source and then was heavily modifying it.  It does see to have tome control events at the start of the file.  I think you have identified my problem.

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    Re: Aria player keeps going to about 5% of its normal volume 2013/09/21 17:13:47 (permalink)
    I deleted all the controllers other than velocity and it still had this problem.  I gave up on that and switched over to Dimension Pro, which is working pretty well for the solo violin and cello lines I'm fiddling with (bad pun intended) -- and Dimension is not having any problem with that MIDI file.  I still think there is probably something in the MIDI that Aria doesn't like, but I can't mess with that right now, as this is for a funeral on a tight schedule.

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    Re: Aria player keeps going to about 5% of its normal volume 2013/09/21 17:52:54 (permalink)
    Did you try freezing the synth? I say that because I had an instance where my ARIA would suddenly decide to play very loudly indeed, despite nothing being different. It would happen on the first or second playback for instance when other playbacks would be at the correct volume. Freezing the synth allowed me to guarantee the volume on playback.

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    Re: Aria player keeps going to about 5% of its normal volume 2013/09/21 18:08:36 (permalink)
    Thing only thing left it could be is automation if there's no midi codes modify it, or some cross wired patch in from another track.......
     
    Next time you're free and you run into this, gives us a shout - I'm sure if I looked over the midi/project I could get to the bottom of it..

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    Re: Aria player keeps going to about 5% of its normal volume 2013/09/22 00:13:18 (permalink)
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    Thing only thing left it could be is automation if there's no midi codes modify it, or some cross wired patch in from another track.......
     

    Not that I can tell.  I did notice that one of the tracks (piano) has a continuous note all through the file -- the very bottom note on the MIDI piano scroll.  I couldn't hear that note.  I deleted it.  Maybe something like that was messing with Aria.  I didn't have any problem when running those same files into Dimension Pro.
    SuperG
    Next time you're free and you run into this, gives us a shout - I'm sure if I looked over the midi/project I could get to the bottom of it..

    OK.  Thanks.

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    Re: Aria player keeps going to about 5% of its normal volume 2013/09/22 02:12:38 (permalink)
    The mod wheel seems to always reset to 0 for some reason on Aria (for me).  This will control your volume, so make sure to put in a mod wheel event at the start of the track, or simply open the player and make sure it is up when you playback
     


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    Re: Aria player keeps going to about 5% of its normal volume 2013/09/22 03:24:04 (permalink)
    LpMike75
    The mod wheel seems to always reset to 0 for some reason on Aria (for me).  This will control your volume, so make sure to put in a mod wheel event at the start of the track, or simply open the player and make sure it is up when you playback 


    Go into sonar prefs and uncheck reset midi controllers on stop. ( can't think of the exact phrase off the top of my head)
    Voila, no more zero mod wheel etc.

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    Re: Aria player keeps going to about 5% of its normal volume 2013/09/22 10:54:21 (permalink)
    wizard71
    Did you try freezing the synth? I say that because I had an instance where my ARIA would suddenly decide to play very loudly indeed, despite nothing being different. It would happen on the first or second playback for instance when other playbacks would be at the correct volume. Freezing the synth allowed me to guarantee the volume on playback.


    I didn't freeze these tracks because I was in the process of editing the MIDI when the problem kept occurring.  If I had ever been able to finish editing, I am confident that freezing would have preserved the volume.  I freeze whenever I can because my system isn't very fast.

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    Re: Aria player keeps going to about 5% of its normal volume 2013/09/22 10:59:19 (permalink)
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    The mod wheel seems to always reset to 0 for some reason on Aria (for me).  This will control your volume, so make sure to put in a mod wheel event at the start of the track, or simply open the player and make sure it is up when you playback 


    Go into sonar prefs and uncheck reset midi controllers on stop. ( can't think of the exact phrase off the top of my head)
    Voila, no more zero mod wheel etc.

    Bibs

    OK.  I'll give that a try.  This is in
    ....  Edit -> Preferences
    ......    Project
    ........      MIDI
     
    I had "Zero controllers when play stops" checked.  I have changed this to unchecked
    I had "patch/Controller searchback before play starts" checked and left this alone.
     
    Things are a bit hectic with my mother's funeral this week.  Maybe next week I will go back and try to recreate that problem.  Thanks for the ideas.

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    Re: Aria player keeps going to about 5% of its normal volume 2013/09/22 11:48:22 (permalink)
    As another Aria user (GPO), the "Zero controllers" preference is the one.  When checked on, that pref will reset the modulation CC to "zero", which in Aria terms is no volume.   If you have a keyboard controller with a modulation wheel just push it forward and the Aria volume should return - in fact, you should be able to watch the value change in the Aria interface.  Once you have the values for each channel set, they should remain that way as long as the "Zero controllers" pref is unchecked.

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    Re: Aria player keeps going to about 5% of its normal volume 2013/09/23 00:38:45 (permalink)
    Great Post
    I had a similar problem with Aria and always thought I was doing something wrong.  Ta da!  It's the Zero Controller setting.
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    Re: Aria player keeps going to about 5% of its normal volume 2013/09/23 01:03:01 (permalink)
    I think my problem may be something different from that setting -- probably a more basic lack of knowledge about using controllers.  Today I got myself really hosed up on that same project, with the MIDI running into Dimension.  Everything was almost exactly the way I wanted it, but I wanted to put a decrecendo on the final French horn chord.  As I was already working on the MIDI velocities, I figured I could do the decrecendo by adding a controller for "volume".
     
    That actually worked, but proved to be far too tedious to get a smooth curve.  I thought I would wipe out the volume values and just use fader automation on the WAV coming out of the synth.  I deleted that whole volume controller in the MIDI window (while the velocities remained as usual.)  As soon as I did that, the whole track went silent.  And now I couldn't see any of that volume information.  I had to create a new MIDI track and cut paste all the notes into that (without any volume information), and then it was fine again.
     
    Obviously I made a wrong turn along the way.
     
    Another related question.  That original MIDI file that caused my Aria problem seemed to have 4 different controllers (velocity, sustain pedal, and a couple of others.)  All I really wanted was velocities, and I needed to edit them to give it a more human feel.  But with 4 controllers in the piano roll view, the velocity bars are about 4 pixels high, and cannot effectively be edited.  I couldn't find any way to expand the velocity scale so I could edit that.  How do you guys handle that?

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    Re: Aria player keeps going to about 5% of its normal volume 2013/09/23 01:19:26 (permalink)
    Drag the top of the controller pane to expand all the controller lanes.
    Or use the Event List
    Or select notes in the PRV and click-drag from the top of one of the selected notes. This also works on individual notes as well.
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