Our Cover of Ordinary Man by Triumph

 Hey Alan. This is a great rock tune with a melancholy feel. I thought the mix was pretty good. At around 3:05 where you did the left and right vocal I liked the panning. Something about the delivery on that section seemed off pitch to me maybe a candidate for Melodyne. This didn't bust the song but I  noticed it, mostly on the last part of "answer".

Alan, this is really well done - the entire song is really top notch - I do love the vocals on this and the guitar solo is really sweet.

Good stuff!  Great performances on bass, guitars, and vocals.  Great song too!
 
The mix isn't terrible, but shooting from the hip, I might suggest looking at a few things:
- Drums need to come up.
- Bass is too hot especially during the middle solo and verses.  Also I think the bass EQ is interfering with the guitar/vocals in the high/mid freqs and could probably be better isolated from them by emphasizing lower frequencies more.
- Vocals might be a little too "present" as well (causing distortion in the high freqs), and maybe there's a bit too much effect on the vocals (flange/chorus?).  If the vocal is doubled maybe back off on one of them a bit so it doesn't cause as many phasing issues.
Just my $0.02!

The Band19
Ha Triumph! The mix feels spot on to me (I may push the drums just a weence.) When it's all kicked in, sometimes the vox seem to step on the drums. When there are no vox, the drums sit better. Love the vocals and the bass. I'm not familiar w/the the original so to me it was new, but it rocked pretty damn hard. Great job. Feels like it was mixed by the bass player :-) (But one who's pissed at the drummer (coming from a bass player))
 
Yeah just listened again, the drums are down in the mix, and lacking "punch." In some cases, quite a bit. Either that or my ears are just getting older.

Thanks Robby, well it was mixed by the bass player LOL well he`s the guitar player and bass player on it, he sent me a mixed music version then I mixed my vocals in. I`ll look at EQing my vocals to let the drums through a bit more.
Cheers!!!!!

evadianepug
Buddy, your vocals seem to get better with each track.  That's good because they started out great.  It's always nice to hear you sing.  The music is very enjoyable also.  This is one I'd love to see played live.  I hadn't heard this (or I forgot) but I really like the tune.  My only crit would be that the bass sounds a bit "high freq'd) most of the time.  Could just be me.  I really like everything about this Alan.  Cudos to you and your buddies.

Thanks Warren!!!!!!!

alkie
Thanks for your input, Where are you hearing the phasing? The vox are double tracked with 2 different mics a 55SH S2 at -12db and a SM58 LC at -24db the effects I used were a Waves H-Delay and a Sonitus Reverb with the main vox bussed to a flanger that is hitting -38db.

 
First of all, let me say that I hope I've not offended you with my mix suggestions/comments above.  I posted what I heard as food for thought if you were interested (since you posted here in the Songs forum).  That being said, I'm just hearing a bit of sizzle on the vocals that sounds like it's modulation/phase related.  Maybe it's intentional and you're trying to fatten up the sound of the vocal.
 
Anyway, I guess you probably already know all this, but each of the three things you mentioned in your reply could be a contributor:
 
1. If you're double mic-ing a single performance you could get phase distortion depending on the exact physical configuration of the mics with respect to each other. You probably do this all the time and have the mics taped perfectly together.  Still, it's a potential source of phasing.  I assume you probably checked this visually in Sonar after the take.
 
2. Maybe it's the flanger you mentioned, although -38db seems pretty quiet, but then again it probably doesn't take a lot of volume for a flange effect to be heard.  I've never been a big fan of flanged vocals except as a special effect, but that's just a matter of personal taste.
 
3. Or it could also be the delay if you are using a short modulation setting on the H-Delay as opposed to something longer like a slapback.  Again, a matter of taste.
 
So the bottom line is that if you like it that way, then it's already perfect. :)

Waltenstein Studios

alkie
Thanks for your input, Where are you hearing the phasing? The vox are double tracked with 2 different mics a 55SH S2 at -12db and a SM58 LC at -24db the effects I used were a Waves H-Delay and a Sonitus Reverb with the main vox bussed to a flanger that is hitting -38db.

 
First of all, let me say that I hope I've not offended you with my mix suggestions/comments above.  I posted what I heard as food for thought if you were interested (since you posted here in the Songs forum).  That being said, I'm just hearing a bit of sizzle on the vocals that sounds like it's modulation/phase related.  Maybe it's intentional and you're trying to fatten up the sound of the vocal.
 
Anyway, I guess you probably already know all this, but each of the three things you mentioned in your reply could be a contributor:
 
1. If you're double mic-ing a single performance you could get phase distortion depending on the exact physical configuration of the mics with respect to each other. You probably do this all the time and have the mics taped perfectly together.  Still, it's a potential source of phasing.  I assume you probably checked this visually in Sonar after the take.
 
2. Maybe it's the flanger you mentioned, although -38db seems pretty quiet, but then again it probably doesn't take a lot of volume for a flange effect to be heard.  I've never been a big fan of flanged vocals except as a special effect, but that's just a matter of personal taste.
 
3. Or it could also be the delay if you are using a short modulation setting on the H-Delay as opposed to something longer like a slapback.  Again, a matter of taste.
 
So the bottom line is that if you like it that way, then it's already perfect. :)

Howdy ...no offence taken, my ears are not the best from many years singing in clubs with no ear protection LOL and I couldn`t hear phasing issues. you misunderstood I did 2 vocal takes 1 through my 55SH and another through my SM58 , so I doubt the phasing is from that. I was hoping you`d point out the areas where you hear the phasing, so I could go in and try and fix it. Cheers and thanks again for your input.

Nice choice of song - great vocals

Well, You may have already done some work on this or maybe not, but what I'm hearing sounds absolutely awesome on my end. This is a great song and you did a great job with it for a cover song. It was very nicely preformed, and the mix sound just great. It is a very creative mix that keeps your attention all the way through. Great work on this. Enjoyed.
 
Peace and Blessings, John

theguitarplayer
Well, You may have already done some work on this or maybe not, but what I'm hearing sounds absolutely awesome on my end. This is a great song and you did a great job with it for a cover song. It was very nicely preformed, and the mix sound just great. It is a very creative mix that keeps your attention all the way through. Great work on this. Enjoyed.
 
Peace and Blessings, John

Cheers and Thanks John!!!!!

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