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2 FlyOut EQs but they overlap...
The FlyOut EQs don't seem floatable, and it's hard to open two at the same time so you can work the kick relative to the bass. I'm scratching my head on this one. Seems like it would be so super useful to see multiples at the same time... maybe even one for every track on a touch screen so you could tweek them all as you listen. Why are they pinned relative to their Pro Channels? I hit F1 on this effect and got good help, BTW, but it didn't have suggestions related to leaving them all open on an available screen. The help is here... http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation/default.aspx?Doc=SONAR%20X3&Lang=EN&Req=ProChannel.06.html
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Re: 2 FlyOut EQs but they overlap...
2013/09/28 18:16:21
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I think one of the vids explained that the flyout closes if the track looses focus. Not sure if this behavior can be altered.
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Re: 2 FlyOut EQs but they overlap...
2013/09/28 18:21:42
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Yes it can with the lock toward top right.
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Re: 2 FlyOut EQs but they overlap...
2013/09/28 18:23:06
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Right, you can lock it, but if you open another it may open under the first. You can lock both and switch between, but they overlap. You can't read both together.
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Re: 2 FlyOut EQs but they overlap...
2013/09/28 18:26:38
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Re: 2 FlyOut EQs but they overlap...
2013/09/28 18:32:39
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Cool. Lock is what you do to PRV in the dock. :-)
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Re: 2 FlyOut EQs but they overlap...
2013/09/29 01:05:35
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Well... So I can use the Analyst or Blue Cat FFTs broken out on other monitors for the tracks... but when I FlyOut the PC EQ I cover up the other EQs. X-Ray (shift X) doesn't work on the FlyOut. You can't float the FlyOut window away from the PC. You can't control what it covers up when in FlyOut mode. ... On the good side, it works well with touch, and when using touch you would probably not want to float the window around the screen and lose track of which one relates to which track. The best I've been able to do is to minimize the PC EQ so that when I FlyOut the EQ it doesn't cover up the small EQs in the other tracks. .png)
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Re: 2 FlyOut EQs but they overlap...
2013/09/29 01:18:40
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That's kind of annoying, but I guess if you could move them around then it wouldn't be a "flyout," it would just be a plain old floating effect window, which would sever its connection from the ProChannel somewhat. It's a pity we don't have the choice of a plain VST version of this EQ to do with as we please, because it seems excellent. Also I'm guessing that you can't have more than one per ProChannel as before?
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Re: 2 FlyOut EQs but they overlap...
2013/09/29 01:24:41
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You can't float the flyout around (like a normal effect window).
You can't remove the EQ from the Pro Channel.
You can't add a second EQ to the Pro Channel of this EQ Type.
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Re: 2 FlyOut EQs but they overlap...
2013/09/29 01:27:49
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where are you going to put 2 of these at the same time so you can work them both at the same time ? no way. there's not enough room  these are awesome, perfect to do precise measurements. enjoy :)
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Re: 2 FlyOut EQs but they overlap...
2013/09/29 01:30:54
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Chuck,
Space is an issue... but with the FFTs in the EQs, when trying to EQ a Kick Drum and a Bass together, it might be really handy. Plus, because they are easy to use with touch, it would be totally fun to have both up side by side and tweak them. The only way I can see to do this is to take a lot of time adding tracks between the two tracks I want to put side by side so that they happen to not overlap.
Frankly, on a 20pt touch screen, one person could work one EQ while another person works the other one.
:-)
Can you agree it might be useful?
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Re: 2 FlyOut EQs but they overlap...
2013/09/29 01:34:54
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sharke
That's kind of annoying, but I guess if you could move them around then it wouldn't be a "flyout,"
keep telling yourself how annoying it is until you download it this thing is sweet, with the built in analyzer it makes adjustments way to easy, you can see everything now. lov'in this.
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Re: 2 FlyOut EQs but they overlap...
2013/09/29 01:35:00
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Possible solution: flyout one of the EQ's from the Inspector and another from the Console. You could undock the Inspector and position it in a location where both EQ's would fit. Or keep the Inspector docked on the left and scroll the console until the second EQ is in an appropriate position.
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Re: 2 FlyOut EQs but they overlap...
2013/09/29 01:36:56
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Their is even further weirdness if you FlyOut the EQ, lock it, then slide the divider for the console view. After doing so, the EQ window is no longer pointing to the right track and it is still not moveable.
There is enough screen real estate to side by side two of the EQs.
I'm thinking that having a two people operating the two EQs at the same time would NOT work because when you click on one of the EQs the focus changes to that EQ. I don't think it would be possible to have the focus on both at the same time (like you have for all the strips in the console. Two people can totally work the console together.
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Re: 2 FlyOut EQs but they overlap...
2013/09/29 01:36:56
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chuckebaby
sharke
That's kind of annoying, but I guess if you could move them around then it wouldn't be a "flyout,"
keep telling yourself how annoying it is until you download it
this thing is sweet, with the built in analyzer it makes adjustments way to easy, you can see everything now.
lov'in this.
Oh believe me I'm not disputing the awesomeness of the flyout EQ, I saw it in action yesterday at the show. But in terms of comparing two side by side, it is kind of annoying. Not that I'm one to moan about something before I've even downloaded it 
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Re: 2 FlyOut EQs but they overlap...
2013/09/29 01:38:22
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gswitz
Chuck,
Space is an issue... but with the FFTs in the EQs, when trying to EQ a Kick Drum and a Bass together, it might be really handy. Plus, because they are easy to use with touch, it would be totally fun to have both up side by side and tweak them. The only way I can see to do this is to take a lot of time adding tracks between the two tracks I want to put side by side so that they happen to not overlap.
Frankly, on a 20pt touch screen, one person could work one EQ while another person works the other one.
:-)
Can you agree it might be useful?
you have a good idea there yes. I do most of my eq'ing right in the box(on the PC in console view) so this really opens it up for me to fine tune and most importantly, analyze. I don't use touch but I could see how this could be a joy with touch.
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Re: 2 FlyOut EQs but they overlap...
2013/09/29 01:43:11
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Sharke, I think you nailed it. It's not perfect... but it's way better than what I was getting before your suggestion of the floatable Inspector. .png)
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Re: 2 FlyOut EQs but they overlap...
2013/09/29 01:43:40
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Sharke,
they are very large, I think they were made for a wife open view and not a compact mode though like the pc already has.
this is for fine tuning.
you can already do that with the compact modules, this gives us a chance to open it up and fine tune to the smallest increment's.
if you take the screen shot that he just posted and right click it /select properties/copy the URL and paste it in your browser bar, this will give you a full screen view, you'll get an idea how big they really are.
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Re: 2 FlyOut EQs but they overlap...
2013/09/29 01:45:06
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Sharke,
I think you nailed it.
It's not perfect... but it's way better than what I was getting before your suggestion of the floatable Inspector.
looks awesome. a little tight but it is possible.
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Re: 2 FlyOut EQs but they overlap...
2013/09/29 01:49:00
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chuckebaby
Sharke,
they are very large, I think they were made for a wife open view and not a compact mode though like the pc already has.
this is for fine tuning.
you can already do that with the compact modules, this gives us a chance to open it up and fine tune to the smallest increment's.
if you take the screen shot that he just posted and right click it /select properties/copy the URL and paste it in your browser bar, this will give you a full screen view, you'll get an idea how big they really are.
Yeah I saw them yesterday, they kind of remind me of the stock Logic EQ (but nicer), especially with the spectrum analysis. Actually that spectrum display is probably the best reason to be able to compare two EQ's side by side because you can see where each of their heaviest frequency activity is (and where they're clashing). I can already do this more effectively with MMultiAnalyzer but it would be nice to be able to compare two track's spectrums side by side in real time with the PC EQ's.
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Re: 2 FlyOut EQs but they overlap...
2013/09/29 01:50:06
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gswitz
Sharke,
I think you nailed it.
It's not perfect... but it's way better than what I was getting before your suggestion of the floatable Inspector.
YAY - look at me...I don't even have the damn thing yet and already I'm dishing out solutions like some kind of guru
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Re: 2 FlyOut EQs but they overlap...
2013/09/29 01:54:06
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Thanks again, Sharke.
I gotta hit the hay now. Morning is coming fast. Best! And you too, Charlie.
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