WallyG
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Is it safe to go back in the water?
I've been trying to keep up with all the posts on Sonar crashing with Win 10 and certain plug-ins. I'm running Win 10, but haven't allowed my computer to update since (I believe) June and have not updated Sonar since last Sept. I would like to run the lastest Sonar updates since they have some nice features (MIDI Chase Play), but I don't want end up with a Sonar that I can't use as others have stated in the past.
Has the dust settled yet?
Thanks,
Walt
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Re: Is it safe to go back in the water?
2017/02/01 11:54:18
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Seems pretty stable for most of us Walt.
Don't forget you can easily rollback.
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Re: Is it safe to go back in the water?
2017/02/01 11:56:52
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Hi. I haven't had the issues others have had lately, so the water is, and have been safe where I am  All the best.
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Re: Is it safe to go back in the water?
2017/02/01 12:06:09
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☄ Helpfulby tlw 2017/02/02 20:20:28
I see this thread (and others) and I think "Gee, I'm glad I passed on Windows 10"...
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Re: Is it safe to go back in the water?
2017/02/01 12:09:12
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Re: Is it safe to go back in the water?
2017/02/01 12:16:57
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"Is it safe to go back in the water?" Not with a computer in your hands. 
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Re: Is it safe to go back in the water?
2017/02/01 12:23:20
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No problems here with Win 10 and up to date Sonar.
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Re: Is it safe to go back in the water?
2017/02/01 12:26:33
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Thanx all. I was going to ask the same question. I will update Sonar this time.
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Re: Is it safe to go back in the water?
2017/02/01 13:00:53
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John
"Is it safe to go back in the water?"
Not with a computer in your hands.
See, this is what I would miss in "The Bakery"!  Walt
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WallyG
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Re: Is it safe to go back in the water?
2017/02/01 13:11:57
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MarioD
Thanx all. I was going to ask the same question. I will update Sonar this time.
I'll also update. Thanks for all the responses! Mario, do you drink? If so, and Sonar fails for us after the updates, I'll buy a bottle and we can drown our sorrows....  Walt
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Re: Is it safe to go back in the water?
2017/02/01 17:46:03
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Make sure you do your Windows 10 updates first - including hardware drivers (from manufactures websites) before updating Sonar. Then you should be good do go.
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Re: Is it safe to go back in the water?
2017/02/01 20:13:21
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☄ Helpfulby FCCfirstclass 2017/02/02 10:18:47
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I see this thread (and others) and I think "Gee, I'm glad I passed on Windows 10"...
You are sacrificing huge efficiency/awesome thread balancing by avoiding W10. I would NEVER go back
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Re: Is it safe to go back in the water?
2017/02/01 21:26:41
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WallyG
MarioD
Thanx all. I was going to ask the same question. I will update Sonar this time.
I'll also update. Thanks for all the responses!
Mario, do you drink? If so, and Sonar fails for us after the updates, I'll buy a bottle and we can drown our sorrows....
Walt
Oh yea! I drink way too many Budweisers.
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Re: Is it safe to go back in the water?
2017/02/01 21:27:29
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promidi
Make sure you do your Windows 10 updates first - including hardware drivers (from manufactures websites) before updating Sonar. Then you should be good do go.
Does the latest update require the Win 10 updates?
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Re: Is it safe to go back in the water?
2017/02/01 22:21:57
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MarioD
Does the latest update require the Win 10 updates?
I am pretty sure that, on the surface, Sonar will work properly without the latest Windows updates. However, windows updates are usually released because Microsoft have found flaws in existing Windows code that they have irradiated. That's why updates are released in the first place. Also remember that there are under the bonnet (Australian for hood) dependencies that sonar relies on for optimum performance and operation. A case in point is the Microsoft Vdist C++ 2015 runtime. Sonar relies heavily on this component. You would want to make sure this component is the latest available. Even on a non DAW system, It is always good business practice, especially on a production machine, to make sure you have the latest Windows updates and drivers for optimum performance.
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Re: Is it safe to go back in the water?
2017/02/02 08:20:46
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I just updated to 2017.1, and am still using Win7Pro. It's a rock-solid update so far. Opened up a 50+ track mix last night and made a few tweaks to it. Smooth as butter.
Regards,
Dan
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Re: Is it safe to go back in the water?
2017/02/02 09:53:11
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I can't swim so I'm offline always, no Windows Update, no anti-virus software.
Below a summary of crashes/issues for 2016
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MarioD
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Re: Is it safe to go back in the water?
2017/02/02 09:55:54
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MarioD
Does the latest update require the Win 10 updates?
I am pretty sure that, on the surface, Sonar will work properly without the latest Windows updates. However, windows updates are usually released because Microsoft have found flaws in existing Windows code that they have irradiated. That's why updates are released in the first place.
Also remember that there are under the bonnet (Australian for hood) dependencies that sonar relies on for optimum performance and operation. A case in point is the Microsoft Vdist C++ 2015 runtime. Sonar relies heavily on this component. You would want to make sure this component is the latest available.
Even on a non DAW system, It is always good business practice, especially on a production machine, to make sure you have the latest Windows updates and drivers for optimum performance.
I agree and all of my Internet computers are on automatic update. My music computer is off-line and Sonar has been running perfectly. I skipped the last Sonar update because of all the problems it was having with the MS update. I want to avoid any problems like that because I have limited music time so I want to do music stuff not trouble shoot problems. So I think that I will try the Sonar update without any MS update. If all runs well then fine. But if it gives me problems I will run the MS updates that I missed.
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Re: Is it safe to go back in the water?
2017/02/02 10:29:36
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MarioD
So I think that I will try the Sonar update without any MS update. If all runs well then fine. But if it gives me problems I will run the MS updates that I missed.
I have Sonar 2017.01 running on a win 10 machine that is offline and has not been updated for about 9 months. It is running perfectly:) I only update win 10 if issues arise and always take a disc image so that I can roll back any time.
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Re: Is it safe to go back in the water?
2017/02/02 20:28:54
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promidiEven on a non DAW system, It is always good business practice, especially on a production machine, to make sure you have the latest Windows updates and drivers for optimum performance.
Given the number of threads and posts about problems caused by Win10 updates you might be forgiven for not thinking so. And many, perhaps most, government and commercial entities that use Windows generally don't update anything until it's been thoroughly tested and any problems found and resolved. A process that can take months or even years. Which is why MS extended XP support for bulk license-holding accounts long after support was discontinued for everyone else. And lots of them are still using Windows 7. The downside is they miss out on the latest flashy stuff and some core advantages as well, but if a week or even a day's downtime caused by training/user acclimatisation or, worse, a bug or key item suddenly not working any more means a big financial cost then caution is very much the order of the day. Which is possibly one reason why Pro Tools still has the studio market share it does. There's DAWs for Mac and PC that are better in all kinds of different ways, but Pro Tools is the devil they know.
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Re: Is it safe to go back in the water?
2017/02/03 12:04:05
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I have Windows 10 on automatic updates and update SONAR regularly. Imaging one's C: drive is a necessary part of using computers. The rollback option in SONAR works just fine, and imaging gets Windows back to where it was is there's some truly showstopping issue (which hasn't happened to me yet).
In my experience, any inconveniences associated with an update (Windows or SONAR) are outweighed by the advantages. I have yet to find a situation where reverting was more advantageous that just coping with/working around/ignoring any issue that arose.
The flip side is there are very valid reasons to "freeze" a system in a working state. You simply have to decide which tradeoff (known stability vs. potential improvements) is the one you want to make.
Zooming out, computers are machines and they need to be maintained. Maintenance time has to be factored into the music-making process, whether it's changing strings, tuning a piano, testing RAM, backing up, or updating software. Maintenance with computer-based recording is much less than the maintenance required with tape-based recording so at least we've improved in that respect.
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WallyG
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Re: Is it safe to go back in the water?
2017/02/03 12:21:12
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MarioD
Does the latest update require the Win 10 updates?
I updated to the latest Sonar update yesterday, had to connect to the WEB. At the same time that I updated Sonar, MS decided to sneak all the latest updates for Win 10, even though I had scheduled it for 2 AM. (I shut down the computer typically at 6:30PM. So far it doesn't look like I need to buy that bottle (or your Buds!). Seems to work okay and like some of the new features. Walt
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Re: Is it safe to go back in the water?
2017/02/03 15:37:42
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I am not sure it is worth the effort to avoid Windows updates in most cases, but I am far from convinced that they are useful in every case. There is a pretty good discussion of the types of things you get with updates here: http://www.zdnet.com/article/faq-how-to-manage-windows-10-updates/ For a general purpose computer, new features may well be worth the potential problems, but for a DAW running only a limited number of programs that depend on a relatively small number of core features to run, the argument may well go the other way. These core features are rarely changed (the recent timing issue that screwed with some Cakewalk plugins in some systems being an exception) and when changed rarely result in significant improvement in the performance of software that was previously working. The addition of new features in older software a la SONAR continuous development complicates the issue, since the developer may well decide to leverage some new feature of his own with a new Windows or C++ feature so that an update of the Microsoft code is necessary. Security updates are only of real value if your machine is exposed to attack by being not being fully insulated from any input, but you need to remember that a memory stick, CD or emailed file can make your machine vulnerable, even if it is not used for web surfing.
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