Sonar X3 Region FX menu

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2013/09/30 16:33:03 (permalink)

Sonar X3 Region FX menu

Hello all. I must say I like all the new toys in X3 and it seems somehow faster and more reliable. I noticed a bit of strangeness tonight though. I went to try Melodyne for the first time, but my Region FX menu didn't contain entries for Melodyne or V-Vocal. However the keyboard shortcuts work so I know they're installed. The menu is populated instead with Perfect Space, a couple of other reverb effects and a Waves plugin. There could have been others too but this is coming from memory and I sure need an upgrade there! So I'm wondering if others are missing their Melodyne and V-Vocal menu options?

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    Re: Sonar X3 Region FX menu 2013/09/30 16:36:25 (permalink)
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    Hello all. I must say I like all the new toys in X3 and it seems somehow faster and more reliable. I noticed a bit of strangeness tonight though. I went to try Melodyne for the first time, but my Region FX menu didn't contain entries for Melodyne or V-Vocal. However the keyboard shortcuts work so I know they're installed. The menu is populated instead with Perfect Space, a couple of other reverb effects and a Waves plugin. There could have been others too but this is coming from memory and I sure need an upgrade there! So I'm wondering if others are missing their Melodyne and V-Vocal menu options?



    Inside of the Utilities > Cakewalk Plugin Manager do you have Melodyne listed as a VST3 Audio Effect?
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    Re: Sonar X3 Region FX menu 2013/09/30 16:43:16 (permalink)
    Thank you for your speedy reply Dan. I'll check that when I'm back at my DAW tomorrow.

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    Re: Sonar X3 Region FX menu 2013/09/30 17:08:42 (permalink)
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    Thank you for your speedy reply Dan. I'll check that when I'm back at my DAW tomorrow.



    Cool, feel free to PM me if this thread gets buried from now til then.
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    Re: Sonar X3 Region FX menu 2013/10/01 15:47:21 (permalink)
    Hi Steven,
     
    Standard VST plugins should not populate the region Fx menu. Something probably went wrong with the initial scan at first launch. Follow the steps in this KB article to reset and rescan your VST plugins and this should clear up the issue:
     
    http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/kb/reader.aspx/2007013315
     
     


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    Re: Sonar X3 Region FX menu 2013/10/01 16:32:38 (permalink)
    That sounds promising Dan and would explain why a crash ensues upon attempting to invoke any of them. I'll give it a go and report back on the outcome.

    I discovered while discussing the issue with Dan Gonzalez that the Region FX menu will only display a maximum of 7 entries, whether by design or otherwise. However, at least 13 effects, most of which were non-Cakewalk and all vst2, had decided to try and populate it. By using the plugin manager to exclude them one by one I was able to eventually make Melodyne and V-Vocal appear in the menu.

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    Re: Sonar X3 Region FX menu 2013/10/01 17:36:32 (permalink)
    Melodyne works as it should in 32 bit no problems. It worked in 64 bit as well up until last night.  All of a sudden it just stopped showing up under region fx. Doesn't matter if I select it from the tool bar menu or by right clicking on a clip. V-Vocal is the only one listed. The .dll and other files are visible in the programs folder so it's there but for whatever reason Sonar isn't seeing it?

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    Re: Sonar X3 Region FX menu 2013/10/01 17:43:33 (permalink)
    Its definitely not normal for other stuff to be in that menu. If you are seeing other items in that menu there are two possibilities. Either you have an old version of VST scan somehow or your inventory was not reset and rescanned. Please report back if you still see this after resetting the inventory.
     
    If anyone can reproduce this please send an export of your registry for this key. It will reveal why this is happening.
     
    X64 users:
    HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\Cakewalk VST X64
     
    x86:
    HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\Cakewalk VST

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    Re: Sonar X3 Region FX menu 2013/10/02 08:02:13 (permalink)
    Thanks for your input Noel. I'll see what happens after the rescan when I get to my studio tonight and will check the registry key if need be.
     
    Geo, have you tried pressing Ctrl-M to open Melodyne? Chances are (I think) that Sonar is still seeing it but the menu isn't being populated properly for some reason.

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    Re: Sonar X3 Region FX menu 2013/10/02 09:13:29 (permalink)
    Thanks Steven, I'll give that a try.

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    Re: Sonar X3 Region FX menu [Solved] 2013/10/02 14:07:30 (permalink)
    Good news this time. I reset and rescanned my plugins as Dan Cate suggests and now the Region FX menu is exactly as it should be. Nothing in there except Melodyne and V-Vocal. I thought I'd have a look at that registry key anyway to see what it contains, which is as follows:
     
    Edit: I since removed the registry key from this post due to its horrendous length.
    post edited by stevenpanter - 2013/10/03 08:25:57

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    Re: Sonar X3 Region FX menu 2013/10/02 14:44:53 (permalink)
    So what plugs should be showing up under region effects, VST3 or just ARA?
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    Re: Sonar X3 Region FX menu 2013/10/02 15:07:17 (permalink)
    Just ARA. Regular vst3 plugs should only appear in the browser.

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    Re: Sonar X3 Region FX menu 2013/10/02 15:09:14 (permalink)
    Melodyne, if you have it installed, and VVocal if you still have it from previous SONAR versions.   But you do need the VST3 version of Melodyne in order to access it from the Region FX menu - otherwise it can only be used as a regular VST plugin.
     
     

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    Re: Sonar X3 Region FX menu [Solved] 2013/10/02 17:37:37 (permalink)
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    Re: Sonar X3 Region FX menu [Solved] 2013/10/03 08:19:23 (permalink)
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    Re: Sonar X3 Region FX menu 2014/07/05 19:00:22 (permalink)
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    Hello all. I must say I like all the new toys in X3 and it seems somehow faster and more reliable. I noticed a bit of strangeness tonight though. I went to try Melodyne for the first time, but my Region FX menu didn't contain entries for Melodyne or V-Vocal. However the keyboard shortcuts work so I know they're installed. The menu is populated instead with Perfect Space, a couple of other reverb effects and a Waves plugin. There could have been others too but this is coming from memory and I sure need an upgrade there! So I'm wondering if others are missing their Melodyne and V-Vocal menu options?



    Inside of the Utilities > Cakewalk Plugin Manager do you have Melodyne listed as a VST3 Audio Effect?


    Dan,
    I have the same problem on a new DAW. The mobo died on my old DAW and I'm just getting back to work with Sonar on a brand new system. I used my second activation to load/activate Melodyne Editor (which I purchased), but I get no pull-down menu at all under <Region FX>. Melodyne does not show up under VST3 Audio Effect. I tried the rescan that you pointed to and nothing changed. <Melodyne Singletrack> shows up under the ReWire tab in the browser, along with my Ableton Live installation. The standalone version of Melodyne Editor loads up and seems to work just fine. I have these directories in my plugin directory list:
     
    C:\program files\cakewalk
    C:\program files\cakewalk\vstplugins
    c:\program files\celemony
    How do I even know if I have the VST3 version of Melodyne? Is it located somewhere else???
     
    It all worked before on my old DAW (now history)...
     
    I'm running Sonar X3 Producer patch X3d, on a windows 7 professional, quad core, 16GB system. 
     
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    Re: Sonar X3 Region FX menu 2014/07/05 19:07:18 (permalink)
    The 64bit VST3 version of any plug-in is located in "C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3". The full path for the Melodyne Singletrack VST3 plug-in is "C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3\Celemony\Melodyne\Melodyne.vst3"
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    Re: Sonar X3 Region FX menu 2014/07/05 19:48:52 (permalink)
    Thanx for this...out of frustration, I went ahead and installed X3e patch, and selected <Repair>. The installer figured it out, and just 2 minutes ago, I saw that the directory you mentioned was added to my list.
     
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