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[ANSWERED] Should VST effects (not instruments) appear in the synth rack?
Because they do... 
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Re: Should VST effects (not instruments) appear in the synth rack?
2013/10/04 03:52:28
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Is it midi controllable? I would think anything midi capable would show up there.
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Re: Should VST effects (not instruments) appear in the synth rack?
2013/10/04 03:52:36
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Is it midi controllable? I would think anything midi capable would show up there.
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yevster
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Re: Should VST effects (not instruments) appear in the synth rack?
2013/10/04 04:03:53
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I'm pretty sure NI's 1176 emulation isn't MIDI-controllable. Neither are the Plug&Mix effects that I see in the synth rack. In fact, I have verified that every effect currently sold by Native Instruments in its Komplete line appears in the synth rack.
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Re: Should VST effects (not instruments) appear in the synth rack?
2013/10/04 04:03:55
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Re: Should VST effects (not instruments) appear in the synth rack?
2013/10/04 04:20:10
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Go into the plugins properties via plugin manager and uncheck configure as synth
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Re: Should VST effects (not instruments) appear in the synth rack?
2013/10/04 04:23:39
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Aah, but that check box is not checked in the first place.
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Re: Should VST effects (not instruments) appear in the synth rack?
2013/10/04 05:10:17
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Have you made your own plugin layouts? Maybe you're pointing to an FX layout? Or your Synths layout has accidently gotten some FX in it?
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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Re: Should VST effects (not instruments) appear in the synth rack?
2013/10/04 08:12:57
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☼ Best Answerby yevster 2013/10/04 10:42:55
This is described in my blog post about the new plugin features in X3. In X3 any plugins that advertise VST MIDI output will automatically be configured with a MIDI out port. As a result a rack entry is created for the routing. A future update will have more fine grained control over this, including the ability to turn disable the output and remove the rack entry.
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Re: Should VST effects (not instruments) appear in the synth rack?
2013/10/04 10:43:04
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Fair enough, but when this feature results in misbehavior by some pretty ubiquitous plugins, perhaps some communication with vendors and/or blacklisting by default is warranted? And are MIDI-controllable effects all that common? Would it not make more sense to manually enable MIDI input on effects than manually disable it?
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Re: Should VST effects (not instruments) appear in the synth rack?
2013/10/04 11:22:34
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This is MIDI *output* not MIDI input btw. We don't enable MIDI input by default.
Are you seeing a lot of plugins that are showing up this way? Are they VST3 or VST2?
I also just fixed a bug where the scanner was erronously flagging some plugins as having MIDI output so its possible that you ran into that. However I only saw this on some Waves plugins bit not other stuff.
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Re: Should VST effects (not instruments) appear in the synth rack?
2013/10/04 11:27:54
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
This is MIDI *output* not MIDI input btw. We don't enable MIDI input by default.
My bad. But effects with MIDI output are even more rare, aren't they? Aside form pitch correction and drum replacement effects, I can't think of any offhand. Due to the ubiquity of Komplete, I'd imagine the incidence of false positives will be about as high as the incidence of real positives. Is an opt-out approach really preferable to an opt-in? Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Are you seeing a lot of plugins that are showing up this way? Are they VST3 or VST2?
Both the Plug&Mix effects and the Komplete effects are VST2. If you've got a loose build of the new scanner handy, I'd be happy to give it a whirl tonight.
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Re: Should VST effects (not instruments) appear in the synth rack?
2013/10/05 23:16:11
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FWIW, this issue still occurs in X2B. I do not see a way to manually tell Sonar that these plugins don't have MIDI outputs. Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
I also just fixed a bug where the scanner was erronously flagging some plugins as having MIDI output so its possible that you ran into that. However I only saw this on some Waves plugins bit not other stuff.
Doesn't look like the same bug, then.
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Re: Should VST effects (not instruments) appear in the synth rack?
2013/10/05 23:30:30
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The manual config for this isn't in X2B. Possibly the next update..
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Re: Should VST effects (not instruments) appear in the synth rack?
2013/10/06 00:09:59
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I'm not sure that this is really answered.
I also have this issue with the Native Instrument solid and vintage compressors. I just looked at the manuals for a couple of them and found no mention of midi output, in fact the word midi doesn't appear anywhere in the manual. I can't see why a compressor would produce midi output (but anything is possible).
If I load an X2 project that has an NI compressor into X3, it does not show up in the synth rack, and the effect works as expected. These are VST2 effects, and they are not configured as instruments, in X1, X2 or X3.
I created a bug a report and was told that I should contact support because it is a configuration problem. Still misbehaves in X3B.
Jim
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Re: Should VST effects (not instruments) appear in the synth rack?
2013/10/06 03:22:08
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Installing X3b patch - I went and checked rescan of existing plugins and scanned - all my VST3 effects stuff suddenly became listed among synths, and none among effects.
I also checked plugin manager and synth was checked. I don't know if this was about the Waves shell or something.
Making a reset, then scan fixed that again back to how it was.
So if making rescan of existing strange things might happend.
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Re: Should VST effects (not instruments) appear in the synth rack?
2013/10/11 03:11:47
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Found another effect that appears in the synth rack: The popular free TDR Feedback Compressor. Interestingly, Version 2 of the same compressor does not appear in the synth rack.
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