Keni
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I Feel Really Bad!
Not good English... I know...
But I see there is already an X3b yet after months of complaining and suffering an X2b patch was never released...
I'm very glad for all the X3 owners... and One day I hope to be one of them...
But it makes me very sad to be stuck with X2 as it is... <sigh>...
Sorry if the post is in bad taste... I'm not feeling well...
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 04, 13 10:48 PM
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☄ Helpfulby Guitarmech111 October 06, 13 11:37 AM
Don't fret good sir. The hype is strong, but give it at least a few months. X2 demonstrated that Cakewalk has no problem abandoning an incomplete release without explanation. Do you realize how long we awaited/expected X2b, yet were told nothing, even though they never planned on releasing an X2b?
Clearly, every Baker is working their tails off now, but they are running on X3 launch adrenaline. Humans burn out quickly at this pace. With appropriate staffing and management, X3 could be the turnaround they desperately need. But give it time.
Plus, you can probably get a better deal on X3 in the future, to self-compensate for your X2 troubles. At the very least, wait for an X3 trial to be available.
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 04, 13 11:08 PM
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Hey we all go through it at one point or another. I've lost count of how many upgrade cycles I've ended up missing for one reason or another (usually money, or because I bought an earlier version without knowing a new one was imminent). Not just software but phones too....every time I've upgraded my phone a hot new model comes out a month or so later. And then of course everyone's raving about the new version and you feel bad.
Plus...give it time...I seem to remember a "honeymoon period" after X2 as well, when everyone was raving about it, before the problems started showing themselves. Not wanting to be too pessimistic because I've had a good experience with X3 so far, but you know how these things work lol......
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 7:39 AM
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☄ Helpfulby jaxman12 October 05, 13 8:06 AM
I have really only one niggle with X2. My latency was not near as good as in X1 for whatever reason. Other than that I have been very happy with X2a. Now with the new toys in X3 it feels like, "WOW, look at all the neat stuff to play with!" That kind of thinking is not healthy when it comes to actually making music. Maybe there are some settings that you missed to get what you want from X2.
Just keep in mind that these software programs didn't even exist when a lot of our classic and best songs were recorded. You have a lot of horsepower in whatever DAW you choose to use. Use it to the best of your ability. That way when you CAN afford X3, or Pro Tools, or Cubase, etc. You will have plenty of songs to port over into your newest workstation.
To me, it's really about making music. Not about having the latest and greatest toys and spending more time playing with them than actually making the music.
That said, I will probably update to X3 in another couple of weeks. I usually let the dust settle and watch the forum closely to see just what is happening for about a month before I jump. Meanwhile, turn on X2a and get to work! :)
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 8:35 AM
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I'm right there with you Keni. I have to buy other stuff and X3 hasn't gone through the initial "oooh... aaawwww" phase yet so it's a little early to know whether it will indeed be an improvement over what I already have. I was personally keeping an eye on the Audiosnap portion and whether the selection/graphical issues had been sorted out. Audiosnap wasn't updated but supposedly it's behaving a little better (likely due to general stability improvements which is what I was hoping for with an X2b patch). I know at least one fellow has encountered the selection bug but it seemed to be manifesting itself a little differently and he was able to get the project out of the corruption spiral (which was not possible before). Haven't heard any complaints about graphical glitches but that could be that people are just used to them however some people seem to be saying the program seems a little sturdier/less breakable so that's good news. I always found it funny while watching the webinars or other tutorials that those wacky graphical bugs would pop up. Even on the best systems being used to promo the product they couldn't keep them at bay.
Anyway, I've said all this before and it's probably not making me any friends but I wanted to let you know you are not alone. Good luck with whatever you end up doing. Cheers.
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 9:43 AM
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An X3b isn't too surprising. X2b was released only a few months after X2. It will be interesting to see if there's an X3c and d, or if Cake will release one update and move onto X4.
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 9:48 AM
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I thought this dead horse was already well and truly flogged.. in any of the other 20 threads on the topic.
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 9:49 AM
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Jim Kalinowski
An X3b isn't too surprising. X2b was released only a few months after X2. It will be interesting to see if there's an X3c and d, or if Cake will release one update and move onto X4.
As far as I know there never was an X2b? I think Cakewalk has said they're planning an X3c. But I'm kind of in a happy place with X3b right now.
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 9:51 AM
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☄ Helpfulby Mystic38 October 05, 13 9:53 AM
Mystic38
I thought this dead horse was already well and truly flogged.. in any of the other 20 threads on the topic.
You can never be sure of dead horses, they're sneaky bastards.... ;)
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 9:54 AM
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If they bring out X4 next week and it's as much of an upgrade over X3 as X3 was over X2 I'm still getting it.
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 10:34 AM
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beltrom
As far as I know there never was an X2b? My bad...I should have said X2a. It seems Cake started with X3a this time, so the first update is X3b. The list of fixes/updates for X3b is long...too long to have been started last week. It looks like Cake started the X3b well before X3a was actually release. That's a good sign, IMHO. It shows Cake is taking updates seriously for this version.
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 10:47 AM
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They probably learned something from Cubase
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 10:51 AM
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This happens every year at about the same time. A newer version of sonar will come out and the older version doesn't get updated anymore. This has been going on for at least 13 years. Nothing has changed, so there are no surprises. This is how its been working for over a decade
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 11:10 AM
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Jim Kalinowski
beltrom
As far as I know there never was an X2b?
My bad...I should have said X2a. It seems Cake started with X3a this time, so the first update is X3b.
The list of fixes/updates for X3b is long...too long to have been started last week. It looks like Cake started the X3b well before X3a was actually release. That's a good sign, IMHO. It shows Cake is taking updates seriously for this version.
The original version downloaded from Cakewalk store was pre-upgraded to X3a. Those currently purchasing the DVD version will get X3. The X3b upgrade can install over either, which explains why the list is long; some are from X3a.
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 11:10 AM
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That's not the surprising part. The surprising part was the release of only one patch to the previous version before moving on. It doesn't follow Cakewalk's usual behavior in the past.
And considering the "a" patch for this new version was ready before release and the "b" patch just about done (if not already done) by release day and released a week later before anyone even had a chance to find and report problems can we really consider these maintenance updates? Seems like code clean up that would normally be done before putting out the product. Now they're already talking about a C patch. It all seems a little weird. Almost as if they preplanned it to make it look like a ton of work had been done after the initial release.
I mean it's great they are seemingly taking this version more seriously but to me the C patch should probably be called X3a... perhaps even Quickfix.
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 11:13 AM
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Beepster
That's not the surprising part. The surprising part was the release of only one patch to the previous version before moving on. It doesn't follow Cakewalk's usual behavior in the past.
And considering the "a" patch for this new version was ready before release and the "b" patch just about done (if not already done) by release day and released a week later before anyone even had a chance to find and report problems can we really consider these maintenance updates? Seems like code clean up that would normally be done before putting out the product. Now they're already talking about a C patch. It all seems a little weird. Almost as if they preplanned it to make it look like a ton of work had been done after the initial release.
I mean it's great they are seemingly taking this version more seriously but to me the C patch should probably be called X3a... perhaps even Quickfix.
Not everyone will 'start' from X3a. Initial boxed versions will contain X3 .
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 11:35 AM
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Yes. I understand that. It was a fix between the time the boxes got produced and the product went live. It's more like the quickfix from X2's initial release. It's purely semantics but the way things are going it will look like X3 has gotten the same level of maintenance X1 did over the first year of release in the same month when all that's happening is they are fixing/implementing stuff that probably should have been cleaned up before it went out the door. Unless the program is totally rock solid after these cleanup patches that were mostly developed before release and they actually do keep working on problems that get discovered by users we could end up with X3h or i.
It doesn't really matter though. It sounds like X3 is significantly more stable than X2 was which is great but it doesn't make those of us who can't or aren't willing to upgrade just yet feel any better. That's what this thread is about.
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Keni
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 12:54 AM
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Many thanks to all of you with your good thoughts and ideas...
I know that waiting for the software is not the end of the world... And the release excitement can often mask severe issues as you all remind me...
I also know that the power I have in my DAW far exceeds anything I've had in the past.... Even working 24 track analog was a burden compared to what we now do...
I guess I'm feeling so sad because my life situation is bad and promising to get far worse before better.... It has been falling this way for a long time, but the one thing I've granted myself every year regardless of situation was the new Sonar upgrade. So I'm feeling even lower that before...
New toys? Sure they're fun, but the music I make these days doesn't really need them. I do wind up writing some different pieces each release though as I tinker with new gadgets and ideas... Mostly what it is for me is the need for improved workflow and "cures" for some of the issues plaguing my work (not a day goes by that I don't get angry about the Lanes issues, so I'm hoping that the new improvements might lift me from the constant annoyance I have with X2.... I will have to adapt to a different way of working than I have done... That much is pretty clear, but I'm hopeful that it will be better...
I don't feel I have too much time left to my musical life and everything that gets in the way of that is a major obstacle for me..
I'm just very depressed facing the loss of my way of life and this is the pinnacle of its appearance for me...
So without spending more time spreading my depression onto so many good people (all of you), I will end this post by saying that as there's nothing I can do to change anything right now and my electric is still on, I will spend today writing a new piece of music and submitting to my other disease (Peterpanitis has been mentioned by me on this forum before - I won't crow up)... The other disease is Neroism (Nero fiddled while Rome burnt and I make my music while my life crumbles from under me)... I will let the disease run rampant today and do my best not to get to angry/frustrated by X2's issues (my issues with it)...
Many thanks to all of you for your support and thoughts... I truly hope you all have a joyous day and make wonderful music with whatever tools you chose to use...
Keni
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 12:55 AM
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beltrom
As far as I know there never was an X2b?
My bad...I should have said X2a. It seems Cake started with X3a this time, so the first update is X3b. The list of fixes/updates for X3b is long...too long to have been started last week. It looks like Cake started the X3b well before X3a was actually release. That's a good sign, IMHO. It shows Cake is taking updates seriously for this version. Almost.... They did release X3 on DVD, but the download version had already been updated to X2a... So X3b is the third release for this version... Keni
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 12:57 AM
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CJaysMusic
This happens every year at about the same time. A newer version of sonar will come out and the older version doesn't get updated anymore. This has been going on for at least 13 years. Nothing has changed, so there are no surprises. This is how its been working for over a decade CJ
Once they move on to a new release, thee are never any more fixes for the older version... <sigh>... Keni
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 1:37 PM
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Keni, I'm not sure what's going on in your life that is giving you such a sense of hopelessness but don't let it completely consume you. Even if you have to close up shop for a while or even end up with just yourself and an acoustic guitar you can rebuild. I have been on a recovery path of coming on five years now where I had to let go of EVERYTHING but I kept an ember of hope burning and although I am a long way off from being where I need to be the path is much clearer than it has ever been. Sometimes being seemingly reduced to being and having nothing can not only be humbling but focusing. After a few extremely painful and frustrating years I have righted the ship and can see the shore in the distance.
I hope you aren't experiencing health issues but even then keep hope. We are musicians and as long as our minds work and our hearts are beating we can create. Especially with all we can achieve with modern tech. I had a buddy with brain damage that destroyed his body so he couldn't play anymore and he just started doing MIDI composition.
Point is don't let an annoying piece of software defeat you. Hope things look up in Keniland. Cheers.
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 2:23 PM
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They probably learned something from Cubase
X1 went to 'd'. So it won't surprise me if X3 develops as far or even deeper. I believe if Cake makes enough money in the first 6 months or so of X3, they May give an X3 'd' or 'e' (June) with some goodies before releasing a blast of an X4 around late November-ish in '14. So, stimulate Cake's finances and the economy; If you can....... p.s.  The ball is now in Cubase court to adopt ARA, or will they remain elitist about being DAW leader.
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 2:26 PM
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Hey don't diss Cubase, they did develop VST, where would we all be without that?
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 2:26 PM
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Sanderxpander
Hey don't diss Cubase, they did develop VST, where would we all be without that?
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 2:45 PM
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Sanderxpander
Hey don't diss Cubase, they did develop VST, where would we all be without that?
DX
Haha good call. Did I hit a sore spot? :)
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 2:46 PM
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Wishin' you the best Keni...
Things for me are slowing down and sure feels like spending money on updates are painful. They use to be a no-brainer, easy money choice. My clients are in worse shape than I. I hate having to budget things especially when for so many years I did not need to. It's like a punch in the gut.
Anyway, feeling your pain. I updated this morning despite my better judgement.
Good luck, push on, know that you are not alone.
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 2:48 PM
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Sanderxpander
Hey don't diss Cubase, they did develop VST, where would we all be without that?
DX
Haha good call. Did I hit a sore spot? :)
No, don't care about plug-in format. The answer just seemed obvious.
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 2:53 PM
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All the best Keni, it seems people on the Sonar forums have more problems than most (or maybe we're just more eager to share!) but you just gotta think positive no matter what...many of us have been through similar slumps and I know what it's like when you can't seem to focus on the light at the end of the tunnel...a few years ago I had a bout of cancer and wasn't insured and it cost me everything I'd worked years to save...and just when I thought it couldn't get any worse then I lost most of my business after the 2008 financial crisis. It seemed like everything I'd worked so hard for was in the toilet and I had trouble focusing on the positives for a good long time after that, in fact it sounds like you are coping way better than I was! But I think along the way I learned a thing or two about life and expectation and now I feel better equipped to take the rough with the smooth..anyway good luck with whatever is going on in your life and I hope things work out for you soon!
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 3:47 PM
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☄ Helpfulby bapu October 05, 13 10:13 PM
I don't know what the problem is. Can anyone make a software program like this on their own for a couple of hundred dollars? (Rounded off upgrade cost.) Of course not. So a company has to do it. Now is that company making tons of money at our expense? I really doubt it. It is probably still a niche market. It is not like a toaster or a TV. Not everyone buys this DAW. So they have to raise money to improve their products and release new versions. I don't know any of the Cakewalk people, but I doubt they are living in multi-million dollar homes, have swiss bank accounts, and drive Rolls Royces. So they can do some updates for free and every once in a while they need to raise money to pay their people. Do we want their people to not be paid and we can just take advantage of their work?
We throw away much more money each year on gasoline than we do on these DAW software programs. If the money is an issue, bicycle, walk more or figure something else out. But let's pay these decent people who are trying really hard to make these products and do a better job than most to have a forum and respond to concerns. I really did not like the color schemes in X1 and X2 - so they listened and improved the choices. Did they resolve everyone's concerns yet? I doubt it. But it sure looks like they are trying.
Ok - end of rant.
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Keni
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Re: I Feel Really Bad!
October 05, 13 7:16 PM
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Thanks Beepster...
What's going on? I'm old, poor, and tired and live in a twilight zone of California where I can't get work because there is no work... Try to invent something? I've been here for 13 years now and I've tried many things with no luck...
So poor health (no details for here) and no work, there's little hope.
I do try to carry on... This has been in motion for 13 years mind you... I've released 5 albums while here even tho I had no money... The 6th (my 8th album) is already finished but I can't afford the copyright (yet?) to release it... Release date is currently set for 11/23/13... We'll see if I manage to make it happen...
I do continue to make music and will until they pry the mouse from my dead hand! ;-)
Thanks for the support... I'm sorry to be displaying these things here. Not appropriate... I'm just so bewildered and distraught... I'll be 62 years old in November and I still can't make a living! I guess I'll have to be a success after I'm dead!? ;-) I'm still owed my 15 minutes of fame! ;-)
Keni
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