Firewire Repeater Hub or new USB interface with my new laptop???

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October 05, 13 2:23 PM (permalink)

Firewire Repeater Hub or new USB interface with my new laptop???

I've been using a Roland/Edirol FA-66 Firewire interface with years and it's been rock solid.  My desktop is slowing down and I also wanted something portable.  I was able to get an incredible deal on a great very high-end dell laptop from my office (slightly used by me).  It has a firewire mini port so I hooked up the correct cables, notice that the BUS power setting on my FA-66 won't turn the lights on, OK - no problem - I'll just use the FA-66 DC in power supply.  But even with that, it drops out every time.  So I've read that laptops typically have inferior firewire hardware and/or drivers - is it worth looking into a Firewire repeater hub that has it's own power supply (looks like these are at least $100 ?), or is it time to move to a USB interface (I'm considering the Roland Quad Capture - approx $269)?  Thanks in advance for any advice!
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    scook
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    Re: Firewire Repeater Hub or new USB interface with my new laptop??? October 05, 13 2:28 PM (permalink)
    A hub is not going to compensate for a deficient PC firewire interface.
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    Re: Firewire Repeater Hub or new USB interface with my new laptop??? October 05, 13 2:31 PM (permalink)
    Firewire is a dying standard now. Firewire on laptops kinda sucks, as you said, and the only way to get "decent" Firewire is through cardbus, which is also getting less and less common and changes every so many years. Considering the price I'd probably say drop it (or use it on your old desktop as a backup system) and get a new interface. Do you really need four simultaneous inputs?
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    Re: Firewire Repeater Hub or new USB interface with my new laptop??? October 05, 13 2:36 PM (permalink)
    The way most interfaces are setup, extra ports are useful for more than simultaneous input. They provide routing options for external hardware or just a simple loopback to the DAW.
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    Re: Firewire Repeater Hub or new USB interface with my new laptop??? October 05, 13 2:38 PM (permalink)
    Floyd : tell me the laptop/Dell model ! il look up its firewire interface
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    Re: Firewire Repeater Hub or new USB interface with my new laptop??? October 05, 13 4:05 PM (permalink)
    latitude E6520 - i7, 8GB RAM, sounds like a hub might not make a difference... I can try selling the FA-66.  I don't really need 4 simultaneous ports, might be nice at some point but mainly working on one track at a time.  Looks like Roland Duo would be fine - at closer to $200.
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    Re: Firewire Repeater Hub or new USB interface with my new laptop??? October 05, 13 4:08 PM (permalink)
    One thing I like about the Quad is the Monitor mix, which my FA-66 has and I do use when recording.  It looks like the Duo doesn't have that function.
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    Re: Firewire Repeater Hub or new USB interface with my new laptop??? October 05, 13 4:17 PM (permalink)
    Good call.
    Didn't mean to say you need less. But if you're going for a new one you might as well evaluate your needs. Most home studio users don't need many inputs simultaneously. But better sound quality or built in phantom power could be important. Scratching one feature will usually save some money or gain you something in other areas. Considering your everyday use and envisioned use before uou buy is always a good idea.
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    Re: Firewire Repeater Hub or new USB interface with my new laptop??? October 05, 13 7:05 PM (permalink)
    After a little more research online it sounds like with a TI chipset the firewire connection from my laptop to FA-66 should work just fine.  My laptop has an ExpressCard port and I'm going to order this Firewire adapter (below) card for $40 and give it a shot.  No reason to spend $270 if this will do the trick.  The reviews on amazon.com are great and sound like several people have ordered this to resolve the same issues that I'm having.  I'll update this post either way (success or failure).
    StarTech.com 2 Port ExpressCard Laptop 1394a Firewire Adapter Card (EC13942)
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    Re: Firewire Repeater Hub or new USB interface with my new laptop??? October 05, 13 7:13 PM (permalink)
    go on the control panel and check on the device manager the Firewire chipset brand ...if it's and TI try just like that ...if it doesn't work , just rooll back the driver to legacy mod
     
    check this out ...
     
    http://s638.photobucket.com/user/zoakajeezo/media/ProcedureFirewirewindows7.mp4.html
     
    also give us your dpc latency test result ...to be sure that it's not related to that simply ...

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    Re: Firewire Repeater Hub or new USB interface with my new laptop??? October 05, 13 7:23 PM (permalink)
    Manufacturer: 1394 OHCI Compliant Host Controller Driver version 6.1.7601.17514 (and it's up to date)
    Driver Provider: Microsoft
    I've read a lot online about issues with the default firewire devices with this particular laptop model, and laptops in general.  So I think getting a TI chipset should do the trick. 
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    Re: Firewire Repeater Hub or new USB interface with my new laptop??? October 05, 13 10:33 PM (permalink)
    do the roll back dirver thing i showed you on the video ....it's not a question of up to date , but what kind of driver ....

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    Re: Firewire Repeater Hub or new USB interface with my new laptop??? October 06, 13 0:34 PM (permalink)
    The problem with laptops and FireWire is that the cardbus slot also has a chipset that interfaces between the card you're going to use and the computer hardware. Dell often use a Ricoh chipset as the cardbus controller and it is known to be very flaky in connection with FireWire. So even using a TI chipset FireWire card in some cases is of no help if the cardbus chipset itself is dodgy.

    Unfortunately you can't tell beforehand what the outcome will be. At least it's not a super expensive experiment. Hope it works out.

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    Re: Firewire Repeater Hub or new USB interface with my new laptop??? October 06, 13 4:04 PM (permalink)
    Lindy 51499 ExpressCard works perfectly with my E6520
     
    Dell's tech service claims E6520 uses Foxconn firewire chipset. ...!
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    Re: Firewire Repeater Hub or new USB interface with my new laptop??? October 12, 13 12:47 AM (permalink)
    Well, I've been testing for a few days with the new firewire express card and everything is working well now.  The express card is a little annoying and sits right on top of the dvd drive, but not annoying enough to spend another $200-$300 on a new usb audio interface (not yet at least)
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    Re: Firewire Repeater Hub or new USB interface with my new laptop??? October 12, 13 12:52 AM (permalink)
    Floyd have yuou tried what i told you before that ?

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