X3 - pro/against disabled plugins alter PDC - what do you think?

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X3 - pro/against disabled plugins alter PDC - what do you think?

I tried make some sense of a comment that said that keeping the same PDC when plugin is disabled is because it would create pops and crackles while A/B-testing a plugins influence.
 
It does not add up to me.
 
And the use of global bypass or by type of track does not make sense at all. If actually recalculating pdc you can easily remove pdc while recording. Even if Live echo is a splendid feature - bypass is good use too.
 
If to keep pdc the same and a plugin is bypassed must mean that you artificially must create a delay for audio - or the lineup of audio between tracks will be altered.
 
 
I find it very useful to have a bunch of plugins - like compressors and modulation in track templates. Then during mixing I bypass one compressor and listen to another I have loaded to see what fits that track better. so quick to - get the best result and learn where different plugins work better, knowing the tools kind of.
 
But doing this in X3 do increase pdc a lot - even just having plugins in plugin bay, but bypassed.
 
What do you think is better - as it is now - or change like other daws like Reaper does it?
Everytime you start transport, Reaper recalculate pdc.
 
I don't mind a little crackle and pop while bypassing - it happends with most plugins while altering parameters anyway. And some plugins does have dynamic change of latency depending on parameter settings.
 
Overall I would find it good with a setting that let me choose how X3 is to perform.
Like there is a setting it muted tracks are included/excluded in playback(don't remember fully how it's stated).
 
Or am I missing something?
Like is VST3 doing automatic delay of audio when you use the bypass by Host feature?
 
thanks for your input.
I will put a feature request and thought I put a link to this topic to make a stronger impact.

 
p.s. is there a readout somewhere in X3 to what latency is used. Reaper has that and Studio One do a similar thing reporting the actuall pdc delay on each track instead of saying how many sample a particular track introduce.
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    Re: X3 - pro/against disabled plugins alter PDC - what do you think? 2013/10/13 11:13:10 (permalink)
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    I tried make some sense of a comment that said that keeping the same PDC when plugin is disabled is because it would create pops and crackles while A/B-testing a plugins influence.
     
    It does not add up to me.
     



    Is your question why there would be pops and crackles when toggling a plugin on and off? Or are you doubting that it's really necessary in order to prevent pops and crackles? (It is.)


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    Re: X3 - pro/against disabled plugins alter PDC - what do you think? 2013/10/13 11:51:02 (permalink)
    But who cares really - it pops and crackles now if doing global bypass - it even pauses for 1/2 a second.
     
    What is the big deal with that?
    It's gone in fractions of a sec.
     
    And isn't it true that you have to do some artificial delay that correspond to plugin when bypassed - or is that handled by VST interface or something.
     
    I mean latency of a plugin is reporting a delay because it need that. But bypassing it and keep same pdc, you have to create such a delay - or?
     
    I will just try to work more with effectchains presets and have track templates more naked, I guess.
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