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Audiosnap: I'll admit it I still don't quite get it.
You would think after lord knows how many years I would finally understand this implementation but dagnabbit if I'm not still flummoxed by how obtuse it is. Example: I've got a multitrack song I'm doing a remix for. Recorded w/o a click. Okee, so I pull up one of the acoustic guitar tracks, which has the strongest rhythm components in it. I show transients, I bring up the audiosnap pallette. I select the clip. I select "edit clip map" and get to work. Now luckily for me I ALREADY trimmed the snot out of the tracks, so 1:1 is right at the start of the song. I've had tons of probs with what is basically an "intro" with little to no tempo info totally screw this process up. Anyhow, I start moving beat markers around and dropping them on the correct places. I hit "set project from clip" to line up what I've got so far. Now the rest of the markers don't auto-stretch to find their "best guess" homes. Ugh. That means going through THE WHOLE SONG and mapping it out. Well, I guess that's okay, time well spent since there's a HUGO tempo change about 2/3 of the way through and I want a strong grid to manhandle this folky ditty into a trip-hop behemoth. I get to the tempo change, and now SONAR tells me the tempo is "out of range" and can't handle the new tempo. Eesh! And since the first few bars of the new section are a little loosey I can't "skip ahead" to drop measure markers because I need to count out every beat from left to right. Ugh. I wish there was a more elegant and non-linear way to approach attaching transient markers to measure and beats and establishing the tempo relationship. Just for kicks I threw the tracks into Live and was instantly able to muck with the tempo and get results close to what I wanted. Sure, there was some skittering on the beats because the track is a waltz and I left it at 4/4 but heck if it wasn't CLOSE. I know this kind of processing and manipulation is not the easiest thing in the world, and with tons of parameters to consider there's no "Fix It" button...but darned if after several years of trying to audiosnap things I still can't get it working quite right. Even AFTER watching some great user-created youtube vids on it.
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Re: Audiosnap: I'll admit it I still don't quite get it.
2013/10/16 20:20:15
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I never use but need something like it at times. It's like I need a translator to communicate. Too much trouble
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Re: Audiosnap: I'll admit it I still don't quite get it.
2013/10/16 20:28:54
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...wicked I've had tons of probs with what is basically an "intro" with little to no tempo info totally screw this process up.
There are several ways around this, but I've found that it's best to do some preliminary snapping with Set Measure/Beat At Now to figure out what the initial tempo is, then undo that, reset the initial tempo, and then slide the track(s)s to line up the first real downbeat to a measure line, and pin that point with SM/BAN. As for the radical tempo change, if you're going to be using Set Project From Clip, you might do better to split the clip(s) at that point to avoid problems with Clip Maps getting wonky about what the "average" tempo is. This is another reason I most often just do it all manually with Set Measure/Beat At Now. It's more precise, and doesn't ultimately take much more time than all the massaging necessary to prepare a clip map to Set Project. But the "special instructions" necessary for making it all come together in different scenarios seems endless. I'm always open to helping with a particular snapping job, but all the variables mean it's often easier to just do it than to explain it and try to account for all the special cases.
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Re: Audiosnap: I'll admit it I still don't quite get it.
2013/10/17 02:07:27
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In addition to Brundlefly's tips, when clip map editing it is always best to............. - Trim and apply trimming (or bounce) any leading or trailing areas. Studio out take will play havoc with audio snap.
- Set the project tempo to very roughly the tempo of the material and make sure that Sonar's "best guess" tempo (in the clip map editor) is set correctly
- I also find it helpful to adjust beat one on clips close to a measure line as well. Just remember to do them all if multiple tracks and/or clips are involved.
I used to struggle a lot with audiosnap especially the dreaded "Tempo is out of range" message. After weeks of trial and error not to mention frustration I now I find it quite simple and reliable but it most definitely can be very finicky and the 3 tips above will definitely make a difference, a big difference in some cases. HTH
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...wicked
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Re: Audiosnap: I'll admit it I still don't quite get it.
2013/10/17 13:51:03
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When you say "adjust beat one on clips" do you mean the clip map or the actual transient data?
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Re: Audiosnap: I'll admit it I still don't quite get it.
2013/10/17 13:56:12
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He means sliding the clip to align the first transient with its corresponding beat in the timeline (whether that's a downbeat or a pick-up note).
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...wicked
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Re: Audiosnap: I'll admit it I still don't quite get it.
2013/10/17 14:01:36
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Sorry for the short blurb, trying to make the cogs turn at the 'ole day job. I reckon I'll give it another go in a separate project and see if I can speed this process up...as well as conquer that darned tempo change!
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Re: Audiosnap: I'll admit it I still don't quite get it.
2013/10/17 14:48:15
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...wicked When you say "adjust beat one on clips" do you mean the clip map or the actual transient data?
brundlefly He means sliding the clip to align the first transient with its corresponding beat in the timeline (whether that's a downbeat or a pick-up note).
^^^^Wot he said.
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Re: Audiosnap: I'll admit it I still don't quite get it.
2013/10/17 14:58:58
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I would gladly pay for a comprehensive video tutorial on Audiosnap.
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Re: Audiosnap: I'll admit it I still don't quite get it.
2013/10/17 15:31:14
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Gary McCoy I would gladly pay for a comprehensive video tutorial on Audiosnap.
The SWA Complete Sonar X2 video that I authored has 4 chapters that covers audiosnap in-depth. See here for full contents.
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