Addictive Keys issue

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2013/10/18 16:43:21 (permalink)

Addictive Keys issue

Can anyone reproduce this?
- Have an instance of Addictive Keys. I used some regular studio grand preset.
- Record a midi part and press the sustain/damper pedal at least once for a reasonable while, say a second or two
- Play back the midi part and stop playback in the part where the pedal is used. The notes don't stop, correct? Somewhat annoying to me; AK keeps playing sustained samples if you restart playback until it gets the next pedal CC. But this isn't the real bug;
- While playback is stopped and the note are sounding out, open the plugin GUI, head to the "edit" page and click the rightmost pedal (should be orange) to stop the notes (this "resets" the pedal).
On my system, I now get very very soft noise coming from AK. Sounds like it might be an emulation of the damper felts brushing the strings but it never stops. You can hear it especially clearly with headphones and by muting and unmuting the channel.
 
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    Sanderxpander
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    Re: Addictive Keys issue 2013/10/18 16:52:58 (permalink)
    I've sent a mail to XLNAudio support by the way.
     
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    Oh and also, I tried saving a preset and couldn't name it because Sonar kept intercepting all keys. I tried clicking the give-all-keystrokes-to-plugin but it didn't make a difference. The  "save" thing actually opens another dialog so maybe that's why (the dialog windows didn't have such a button). I ended up using a notepad file to type the name, copy it, and then use the right mouse button to paste it into AK.
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    Re: Addictive Keys issue 2013/10/18 17:18:55 (permalink)
    To stop the sustain on interrupting playback before the next "up" event, enable Zero Controllers When Play Stops in SONAR Preferences.
     
    I'll have to check the other issue later. I've noticed that AK has a very (too) pronounced damper/sympathetic resonance sound in the upper register (including below the undamped strings), but I haven't checked out customization options that might adjust this. And I didn't notice that it failed to stop ringing, but that might be a function of zeroing the sustain.
     
    Also, my keyboard sends All Notes Off on release of the last key which might be preventing this; I haven't yet tried sending it recorded MIDI.
    post edited by brundlefly - 2013/10/18 18:10:46

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    Re: Addictive Keys issue 2013/10/18 17:42:49 (permalink)
    Thanks! I'll check that out. I hope setting the pedal to zero doesn't instantly start the noise.

    And yeah the grand is a little heavy on the high ringing. Heavy EQ helps some, so does transposing the sample down but both of those really alter the character too.
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    Re: Addictive Keys issue 2013/10/18 18:04:54 (permalink)
    I've noticed that midi files I drag from the AK interface to a track in Sonar (or even drag to the Windows desktop first and then import into Sonar) are completely messed up. Like the sustain pedal is just being constantly held down. And it doesn't matter if I'm playing the midi file with AK or a different synth. And the files play fine with Windows Media Player or Studio One as a test. Weird.
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    Re: Addictive Keys issue 2013/10/18 19:49:48 (permalink)
    Okay that last one took a little head-scratching. I was able to reproduce the same thing with Addictive's preview clips in SONAR, but not if I sent them on a round-trip out a physical MIDI port and back which meant it was a MIDI buffering issue of some sort. After staring at the Event List for a while, I noticed there are a bunch of notes with duration = 0. I deleted them all, and the clip plays normally.
     
    MIDI players that don't buffer softsynth output in advance the way SONAR does don't have a problem with those events. Those zero-duraiton note events really shouldn't be there, so I'm not going to hold it against SONAR for behaving strangely as a result, but I'll be reporting it to the Bakers.
     
    As for the issue reported by the OP, I can't reproduce a problem with or without Zero Controllers enabled and with or without stopping them by the pedal in the AK GUI. Even if there's no pedal up, all sounds decay to inaudibility in a usual amount of time, and eventually go completely silent according to Bitmeter.
     
    EDIT: Incidentally, I noticed the preview clips have partial pedal values in them. I don't know if that's just a function of the controller that was used to record them, or whether AK can actually respond to "half-pedaling"; I'll have to read up. I did notice that it doesn't respond to re-pedaling on the release with a normal on/off pedal, though. TruePianos does.
     
     

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    Re: Addictive Keys issue 2013/10/18 21:17:12 (permalink)
    Good catch checking the event list. I've only had AK for a couple of days and I've been having too much of a blast playing around to dig deeper into that clip problem. I knew if anyone could figure it out relatively fast it would be you. ;-)
    post edited by StepD - 2013/10/18 21:56:13

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    Re: Addictive Keys issue 2013/10/19 03:06:09 (permalink)
    To be clear, my notes ring out as well if I let them. One part of my issue is that AK still assumes I pressed the pedal and then if I start from the beginning of the clip it sustains all notes.
    The noise parts doesn't really have anything to do with the sound of actual notes sustaining but a different kind of noise if I "cancel" the sustain panel via the interface. It's soft and doesn't appear on my meter in Sonar (haven't tried bitmeter) but is definitely audible by switching mute on and off.
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