Carlo Celuque
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How to remove vibrato information from a midi file?
Hi Sonar friends,
I have a MIDI file, which I have downloaded from the web, that keeps sending vibrato information to my tracks. I have looked inside all tracks through MIDI events and have deleted everything except notes information. And could not delete the vibrato information which affects my VST.
There must be some kind of information that I can`t see even in the event file menu.
Can you give me any help on how to disable that vibrato jnformation?
Thank you very much
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Re: How to remove vibrato information from a midi file?
2013/10/20 11:37:00
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Vibrato in a synth is always cause by pitch bend wheel or real time control of the LFO that is patched into the DCO(oscillator's pitch).
If you can't see them in event view that means them are not there. Another way to be sure is open up automation lane of the relevant track and see if there is any "events". If you can see them, then right click on the automation data and choose delete envelope.
BTW way which softsynth are you using?
If you can't see the automation data and you still can hear the vibrato that can only means that the vibrato is preprogramed into the sound(patch). In that case you can either choose another sound or reprogrammed the LFO to do nothing. For example turn off the LFO or LFO amplitude or frequency to zero would do the trick.
Hope that helps.
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Carlo Celuque
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Re: How to remove vibrato information from a midi file?
2013/10/20 12:52:44
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Thank you very much Musichoo,
I am using an orchestral vst called Edirol Orchestral playing Erik Satie Gymnopedie 1. The vibrato that comes to the flute is not the normal vibrato of the patch, it is a heavy vibrato that moves the rate. I could not see any automation nor controller in the midi file, it is a GOST VIBRATO lol :) . I have turned off the vibrato depth and rate and the problem seems to be solved. The vibrato is affecting all the instruments of the orchestral. I read something on the web that satates that this midi file could be generating to a Garritan which uses a diferent controler for volume which is not the n 7 and may be affecting my vst.
If you want to find the GHOST Vibrato, I can send you the Erik Satie Gymnopedie midi file to check it out.
Thank you for your interest in trying to help me.
Best regards
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Re: How to remove vibrato information from a midi file?
2013/10/20 13:07:18
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try the Event List - much easier to spot
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Carlo Celuque
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Re: How to remove vibrato information from a midi file?
2013/10/20 13:36:52
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lawp
try the Event List - much easier to spot
Sure I did, and deleted everything except notes. And the problem persists.
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Re: How to remove vibrato information from a midi file?
2013/10/20 13:47:36
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A little Googling indicates Edirol Orchestral can switch articulations, including one that adds vibrato. Most likely what you're hearing is in the VSTi setup, not the MIDI file.
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Re: How to remove vibrato information from a midi file?
2013/10/20 13:50:15
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sorry i missed the "I have turned off the vibrato depth and rate and the problem seems to be solved." :)
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Re: How to remove vibrato information from a midi file?
2013/10/20 13:56:29
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When I think common vibrato - CC#01 modwheel or aftertouch, usually channel aftertouch.
Maybe if aftertouch is turned off in Sonar, that it's not shown or something.
It's off by default.
Just a wild idea...
But brundlefly's idea of switchkeys which are not obvious is probably a really good idea - it's still normal notes in your data.
Look for notes in higher range or lower range below anything else.
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Re: How to remove vibrato information from a midi file?
2013/10/20 13:58:35
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my money's on the vsti per brundlefly
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Carlo Celuque
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Re: How to remove vibrato information from a midi file?
2013/10/21 13:27:02
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brundlefly
A little Googling indicates Edirol Orchestral can switch articulations, including one that adds vibrato. Most likely what you're hearing is in the VSTi setup, not the MIDI file.
Ok, but what switch that articulations after a few bars in Edirol? There must be something that turns on that vibrato after a few bars. I will try to use TTS vsti and see what happens and will return with resuts here. Sorry for my english.
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Carlo Celuque
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Re: How to remove vibrato information from a midi file?
2013/10/21 13:58:43
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Ok folks,
1) I have added and directed that track to a TTS VSTi and the same vibrato happened after a few bars.
2) I have discovered that the vibrato rate knob has a controller n.77 assigned to it as defaut for both VSTs: Orchestral and TTS.
3) After I have removed that controller n.77 in both VST the vibrato rate alteration disappeared.
4) There must be something with the controller n.77! And if so, why Sonar doesn`t show us that controller in the event list?
5) Maybe there must be something with Sysex information ?! Which I can`t see!
Thank you very much for your attention
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Re: How to remove vibrato information from a midi file?
2013/10/21 14:01:33
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Carlo Celuque
Ok folks,
1) I have added and directed that track to a TTS VSTi and the same vibrato happened after a few bars.
2) I have discovered that the vibrato rate knob has a controller n.77 assigned to it as defaut for both VSTs: Orchestral and TTS.
3) After I have removed that controller n.77 in both VST the vibrato rate alteration disappeared.
4) There must be something with the controller n.77! And if so, why Sonar doesn`t show us that controller in the event list?
5) Maybe there must be something with Sysex information ?! Which I can`t see!
Thank you very much for your attention
hmmmm....I thought you said you removed everything not being notes?
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Carlo Celuque
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Re: How to remove vibrato information from a midi file?
2013/10/21 14:09:22
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@ IFM,
Yes sure! I have removed everything except notes. But there must be something left that I could not see. How can we remove all controllers?
I go to event list click the notes button and everything that stays left is not notes right? so I deleted everything and left only the notes.
I am very sorry because my english is not good and maybe I am not making myself clear.
But yes, I have deleted everything in those tracks except notes.
Thank you.
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Re: How to remove vibrato information from a midi file?
2013/10/21 14:20:02
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Carlo Celuque
@ IFM,
Yes sure! I have removed everything except notes. But there must be something left that I could not see. How can we remove all controllers?
I go to event list click the notes button and everything that stays left is not notes right? so I deleted everything and left only the notes.
I am very sorry because my english is not good and maybe I am not making myself clear.
But yes, I have deleted everything in those tracks except notes.
Thank you.
If it's not shown it's not your fault. I remember an old bug from years back - that midi CC#64, sustain pedal even on muted tracks/clips were included - if assigned to the same synth. I had really weird behavior on tracks playing that suddenly were shutoff notes and stuff - and I scratched my hair. Not until I released other tracks from that synth by assigning to unused midi ports - it behaved like it should. So don't look just on active clips - it might still be there, this bug.
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Re: How to remove vibrato information from a midi file?
2013/10/21 14:32:33
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If you're not seeing the controllers in the track you examined, then, as lfm suggested, they must be on another track sending on the same channel (or the events have the same embedded channel if no forced output channel is specified) as the track with the notes. Select all the tracks and open them together in the Event View, and you should find them.
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Re: How to remove vibrato information from a midi file?
2013/10/21 14:33:25
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Try the MIDI Event filter plug-in. Click the Controllers checkbox and drag the CC# column so that the top and bottom value are 0. To destructively apply the filter, select the track then Process > Apply Effects > MIDI Effects
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Carlo Celuque
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Re: How to remove vibrato information from a midi file?
2013/10/21 15:52:57
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Ok folks, I give up! I must move on. I have added two printscreen just for carify what is on my screen. If somehow I find out the ghost hidden information, I will let you know. P.S. > All the controllers information shown on the picture was removed, I left only the notes informations. Thank you very much.  
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Carlo Celuque
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Re: How to remove vibrato information from a midi file?
2013/10/21 15:52:57
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Ok folks, I give up! I must move on. I have added two printscreen just for carify what is on my screen. If somehow I find out the ghost hidden information, I will let you know. P.S. > All the controllers information shown on the picture was removed, I left only the notes informations. Thank you very much.
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Re: How to remove vibrato information from a midi file?
2013/10/21 15:58:59
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You need to host your images somewhere, like Photobucket or Imageshack. Once uploaded to their site, you will find a link code which you Copy & Paste into the image box here: 
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Carlo Celuque
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Re: How to remove vibrato information from a midi file?
2013/10/21 16:04:45
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Sorry I could not add the picture I have uploaded to my dropbox. And I could not delete the doubled post I was trying to fix. I can`t see the delet post button.
Thank you and sorry for such a silly subject.
Best regards
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Carlo Celuque
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Re: How to remove vibrato information from a midi file?
2013/10/21 16:15:45
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Thank you Bristol_ Jonesey But nothing showed up! just an empty kind of square! is there any image size limitation? I must give up from this post for sure. Best regards
post edited by Carlo Celuque - 2013/10/21 16:36:50
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