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Has anyone seen this behavior in the PRV?
Using the smart tool
1. Open the PRV on a track with data
2. Right click to select a number of notes
3. Once selected right click to bring up the context menu.
4. Only 3 options available all the others are grey out.
5. Hold down the crtl key and right click all options now displayed
This did not happen in X1 or X2 in the PRV however it did in the staff view.
In X3 it does not happen in staff view now which is how I feel it should have always worked and should now work.
This has been reported to Cakewalk support who have reported this as intended.
If this happens for anyone else what do you think is the extra key press an annoyance or an aid to work flow?
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Re: Has anyone seen this behavior in the PRV?
October 28, 13 7:05 PM
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I just tried this. Having selected the notes, when I right click it de-selects the notes, which is why the options are greyed out.
In X2, I get no context menu whether ctrl is pressed or not.
In X1, having selected notes with left click, I get no context menu with right click at all, and get full context menu with ctrl+right click
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Re: Has anyone seen this behavior in the PRV?
October 29, 13 5:27 AM
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jb101
I just tried this. Having selected the notes, when I right click it de-selects the notes, which is why the options are greyed out.
Yes but in X1 and X2 if you right clicked the notes stayed selected and the options were available. Sorry if I was not clear on that point.
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Re: Has anyone seen this behavior in the PRV?
October 29, 13 5:51 AM
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I'm missing something (or something is missing) here...
What do you want to do to those selected notes?
What are the three options not greyed out?
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Re: Has anyone seen this behavior in the PRV?
October 29, 13 7:45 AM
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jb101
I just tried this. Having selected the notes, when I right click it de-selects the notes, which is why the options are greyed out.
Yes but in X1 and X2 if you right clicked the notes stayed selected and the options were available. Sorry if I was not clear on that point.
As I said, I didn't get this behaviour when I tried it in X1 or X2. In X1 the notes stay selected, but no menu appears when I right click. If I ctrl+right click, then the context menu appears. In X2 the notes de-select, but there is no context menu on right click. Ctrl+right click the notes stay selected, and the context menu appears. So, basically, in X1 and X2 if you select notes, and right click, you get no context menu at all, whether notes stay selected or not. At least, that is the behaviour here.
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Re: Has anyone seen this behavior in the PRV?
October 29, 13 10:08 AM
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Just got home and tried the steps in the original post, and....I must say I don't like it. I mean, I normally use shortcut keys for these commands so I never realized it, but this isn't good. All the commands on the right-click menu should be accessible (clickable), without press-holding the Ctrl key.
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Re: Has anyone seen this behavior in the PRV?
October 29, 13 10:33 AM
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Wookiee
This has been reported to Cakewalk support who have reported this as intended. I wonder what the intention is. Did you ask them?
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Re: Has anyone seen this behavior in the PRV?
October 29, 13 11:25 AM
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Jlien X
Just got home and tried the steps in the original post, and....I must say I don't like it. I mean, I normally use shortcut keys for these commands so I never realized it, but this isn't good. All the commands on the right-click menu should be accessible (clickable), without press-holding the Ctrl key.
Have you tried this in X1 and X2? I have, and get no context menu at all unless ctrl is pressed. So, having three options in X3 is 3 more than X1 and X2. At least, that is the behaviour I am seeing here. Am I missing something?
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Re: Has anyone seen this behavior in the PRV?
October 29, 13 11:52 AM
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Jlien X
Just got home and tried the steps in the original post, and....I must say I don't like it. I mean, I normally use shortcut keys for these commands so I never realized it, but this isn't good. All the commands on the right-click menu should be accessible (clickable), without press-holding the Ctrl key.
Have you tried this in X1 and X2? I have, and get no context menu at all unless ctrl is pressed.
So, having three options in X3 is 3 more than X1 and X2.
At least, that is the behaviour I am seeing here. Am I missing something?
Unfortunately, I uninstalled X1 and X2 (did an OS re-install) so I can't try it in them, but even if what you're saying is true, CW support's answer "as intended" still doesn't make sense, at least to me. I first thought maybe showing the right-click menu would prevent the right-click lasso-selecting from working properly, but in fact, lasso-selecting works fine even when you hold down the Ctrl key. So why are all the commands other than the three grayed out? Is it just half-baked? Am I missing something? Maybe CW support is?
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Re: Has anyone seen this behavior in the PRV?
October 29, 13 12:48 AM
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Fortunately I still have X1 and X2 installed and from the quick tests I have just run jb101 is correct in that the right click behaviour is different in both X1, X2 and now X3. By this I mean each version the right click works in a different way in X2 from X1 and X3 from editor window to editor window.
But the fact that an extra key press is need is most frustrating.
This is how the staff view worked in both X1 and X2, meaning you need to press the ctrl key to get the whole context menu available. However now in X3 staff view if you lasso notes and then right click all of the context menu is available which is what I always wanted and how it had worked in SONAR 8.5 backwards.
A little bit of continuity between editor windows would be nice or perhaps it is just the deranged ravings of my furry mind.
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Re: Has anyone seen this behavior in the PRV?
October 29, 13 1:22 PM
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I only have X1, X2 & X3 on this DAW, and really can't remember behaviour pre X series. I still have Sonar 6 on a laptop somewhere round here, so may have a look sometime.
This behaviour does make sense to me. If we group most things in Sonar (such as quick grouping tracks) we then hold control when we edit them together. I can also see why this behaviour would an annoyance, but just not for me.
OT - Constantly opening and re-opening X1, X2 & X3 whilst trying to help in this thread has made me appreciated the evolution of the X series. I was really happy with X1d, but enjoyed the workflow enhancements in X2 a lot. X3 is just the icing on the Cake (pun not intended, it just sneaked up on me).
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Re: Has anyone seen this behavior in the PRV?
October 29, 13 2:03 PM
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Pre-X1 versions had no Smart tool, and right-clicking with the Select tool would give you the full context menu. This is still true of the Select tool in all X-series SONARs.
At first glance, I would think that right-clicking an empty area of the PRV with the Smart Tool could be made to leave the notes selected and thus give the full context menu without impacting other functionality, but since it has never worked that way it would be a feature request.
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Re: Has anyone seen this behavior in the PRV?
October 29, 13 2:06 PM
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I think I am getting different behavior than what you guys seem to be getting. When I right click and select a group of notes and the now marker is after the notes and then Ctrl+Right Click I do receive a context sensitive menu with only three options highlighted. However if I go back and Ctrl+Right click between the notes I get a context menu with all options available...and the notes that where selected remain highlighted.
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Re: Has anyone seen this behavior in the PRV?
October 29, 13 3:20 PM
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I think you must be mistaken. Ctrl+right-click with the Smart tool should work anywhere, and right-click without Ctrl will only work with the Select tool.
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