[SOLVED] X2 + BFD: Why is my MIDI bounce not working?

I just did the following a dozen or more freaking times trying all sorts of different things trying to make this work and am still getting nothing. THIS IS DRIVING ME CRAZY!!!
 
Converting your soft synth tracks to audio
Once your project sounds the way you want it to, it’s extremely easy to convert your soft synth MIDI tracks to either new audio tracks, or Wave, MP3, or other exported files.
You can also do a temporary conversion, called freezing. See Freeze tracks and synths for more information.
To convert your soft synth tracks to new audio tracks
1.
Mute all tracks that you don’t want to convert.

2.
Click the Track view Tracks menu and choose Bounce to Track(s).

The Bounce to Track(s) dialog box appears.
3.
In the Destination field, choose a new or pre-existing track to put the new audio data on.

4.
If you’ve saved presets from previous bounce operations, you can choose a preset from the Preset field.

5.
In the Source Category field, choose Tracks.

6.
In the Channel Format field, choose mono if you want a mono track, stereo if you want a stereo track, and split mono if you want to create separate mono tracks.

7.
In the Source/Buses field, choose the output bus(es) that the soft synth tracks are using (usually the main outputs).

8.
In the Mix Enables field, make sure all choices are selected.

9.
Click OK.

SONAR creates new audio tracks from the outputs you selected. When you’re through converting, don’t forget to mute your MIDI tracks so you won’t hear them and the new audio track(s) at the same time.
 
 

Did you have MIDI track selected as well as audio?
 
I just selected all outs plus MIDID track, bounced them all to separate racks.
 
I tend to freeze the synth as it's a lot easier.

jb101
Did you have MIDI track selected as well as audio?
 
I just selected all outs plus MIDID track, bounced them all to separate racks.
 
I tend to freeze the synth as it's a lot easier.

I believe I did try that configuration a couple times. I will try again. You mean select the actual tracks in the Track View right? It doesn't seem to appear in the bounce dialog. I am also just trying to do one track but I guess I'll select all of them to see if that makes a difference.
 
Thanks for the effort jb. Kind of going a little crazy here. Cheers.

Yes, selecting the actual MIDI track as well as the Kick track worked. Nowhere does it even mention anything about selecting anything. I had tried at one point to select the MIDI track but it told me no audio was selected so I must not have had the Kick selected as well. What a run around.
 
But at least now I know. Thank you VERY much, jb. You just prevented a studio fire with that tidbit.
 
 

I guess without the MIDI track selected there is no sound.  MIDI track + synth out = sound.
 
I guess you could have several MIDI tracks controlling the same synth, and Sonar would need to know which one to bounce.
 
I first tried it by just selecting the Audio out.  When all I got was a flatline, I selected Audio and MIDI track and it worked.
 
I just looked at the manual, and can see how it might mislead.  It just states "Mute all the tracks that you don't want to hear", so I guess we want to hear the MIDI track with the synth, yes?
 
Glad you're sorted.

Lets try this scenario. We have a MIDI track with drum notes on it. We will use the synth rack to install a drum sample player. In my case it will most likely be BFD2. The Browser holds the synth rack. As you install this player a dialog will appear that allows one to set up how the player will work with Sonar. I most often want all synth outputs stereo. For a drum synth mono is a good option. When this is done click OK and Sonar will load the player and create a number of audio tracks that have as their input the audio out of the synth. 
 
Next I simply route the MIDI track's output to the input of the drum player I also load the kit I want to be used.
 
After adjusting the MIDI also known as editing, when satisfied I freeze it after I have set the internal routing the way I want it. That is each sound going to its own audio track. Going back to the synth rack I hit freeze of that synth. Sonar starts creating audio in each track. 
 
From there I can do anything I wish to the audio. But I can also unfreeze it and start over if I wish.  With a freeze the the synth is bypassed and the MIDI is muted.   

Thanks JB. I stopped using bounce many years ago. Sonar's freeze is so powerful I see no reason to use anything else. I recall when it first appeared and that I couldn't believe how good it was especially compared to Cubase's version.  

Perhaps the title of this thread (Re: X2 + BFD: Why is my MIDI bounce not working?) needs changing, as you know why your MIDI bouncing was not working - you weren't including any MIDI in the bounce..

Thats not what I see Mike. Page 804 is Editing MIDI events and continuous controllers. Under the chapter MIDI effects (MIDI plug-ins)

Keni
Do you have any of bfd's outputs archived? This has bugged me sine X1... If such is the situation (I archive and hide outputs not being used), freeze/bounce gives through it's work and then leaves all the tracks empty... Maybe for you?

I'm not sure I understand your question. I don't see a need to do any track archiving when using freeze. If and when I am completely done with a synth I will for cosmetic reasons delete empty tracks. 

The problem Keni is Beep uses bounce not freeze. We are attempting to persuade him to use freeze.
 
 

John
Thats not what I see Mike. Page 804 is Editing MIDI events and continuous controllers. Under the chapter MIDI effects (MIDI plug-ins)

I've gone back and fixed my typo thanks.

It should have been page 864/5.

@ John, Jonesey...
 
Thanks, guys. I tried the Freeze option before moving on to this method. It will indeed work and may become my default way of doing this. I know you guys think I'm being weird (which I probably am) but as I was saying in the other thread this is more of an educational exercise so I wanted to get this method down as well. After all this is done and I've moved on to other projects I will be taking a closer look at the exact differences between the two so I can make an informed decision as to what course of action to take in specific situations. If I use freeze for something like this I would indeed be copying the waves generated into new tracks. I just want to make sure that I am not going to experience any unforeseen consequences like reduced flexibility or audio quality while using one or the other. Also I may need to use similar features elsewhere so having an idea of the more traditional bouncing method may come in handy. Knowledge is power and you guys have consistently provided me with knowledge and extra options. Thanks again for your ideas even if I'm being weird. ;-p
 
@Keni... Thanks for the insight. All seems to be under control now. Just a silly missed step but I'll watch out for the problems you mentioned. Cheers.
 
@jb... Thank you again for taking the time to try this out and providing the solution. I will change the title to SOLVED. Cheers.

That's cool, Jonesey and I will be trying all that out. Definitely not saying you aren't 100% right. I just like trying things out and poking at all the dark corners.
 
Anyway, I have worn out my welcome here on the forum so ya'll take care. I am taking a break from this place and will have muscle through all this on my own.
 
Thanks for all the help, guys. Maybe I'll see you in a few months.