Double the speed without speeding up music

Jarsve
Is there a smart tool to double up the speed of the song without speeding up the music? Mu problem is that the song is in tempo-64 and notation is in 64/64 it would be nice to get it at least in 16/16. And triple tempo
The reason is that this is a classical hymn. And the music is much faster than the hymn.

Sorry for my ignorance but I'm not quite following the whole 16/16 thing. If you have a song that is at 64 bpm, if you want that triple that would be 192. Going that much faster will definitely bring on artifacts if you have audio in the project. For midi, it won't affect anything. But I can't think of anything that would allow you to go that much faster without bringing on some warbling and other nasty artifacts. I have some cool tools here for speeding things up with nearly 0 artifacts, but I've never tried to triple the tempo on anything. I'm not sure there is anything that can help you.....unless of course I'm totally misunderstanding what you're asking here?
 
-Danny

That would be 64 beats per measure and the 64th note gets one beat ... or in other words SPAM.
 
 

I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to do, but under the process menu is the Length command. You might check that out (read it's help file).
 
Good Luck
Steve

I'm probably wrong but it sounds like just a notation problem in midi. It sounds like you just want it to be in 16th or 32nd notes instead of 64th notes or something like that? You can always select everything in midi and double or half the length or whatever you want using process/length. Then change the tempo so it plays at the same speed. Same thing as Steve suggested.
 
John

I don't know Jeff. I probably just don't really grasp what he's trying to do. Locked clip or not, if you double the bpm it's going to play twice as fast isn't it? I would think that if you doubled the bpm and wanted it to sound the same you would need to double the note values (which would also double the number of bars but that's what I would expect). But like I said I'm probably just not understanding the concept.
 
Steve

Yes it should work OK. A typical situation might be that you started an idea with the metronome on say 60 BPM and you play in midi data accordingly. But later you realise that the music is in fact really at 120 BPM instead or you would rather be thinking of it there instead.
 
So by locking the clip and selecting DATA as the option the midi data simply is not allowed to change. But now you can go in and tell the session to be 120 BPM instead. Nothing changes in the music at all. All midi start times remain as they are and the note lengths remain the same too. (Actually one could consider that the start times in relation to the click have been changed but the music remains unaltered)
 
Now your session is clicking away at 120 BPM and the music is still the same. So it is where you want it to be which is pretty handy I believe. As I mentioned Studio One changes the midi data. In this case if you changed the BPM to 120 BPM the music would all be twice as fast as you played it in. Except they give you the option to halve the music tempo again which puts it all back to where it was except you now have a session running twice as fast and the music is back to where it was. A different way of going about it but the same result. Studio One also has a slider that allows either a continuous stretch of the midi data or speeding it up also on a continuous basis. Where that is cool is if you want to change to a tempo that might be 1 1/2 times or 2 1/2 times the original. But you can do that in Sonar too by just locking the clip data and tweaking the underlying tempo to anything you may want.
 
Where the continuous slider comes into its own is if you want the tempo of the session to actually remain where it was but you want the midi data to spread out by say 150%. This means what you played in slows down and spreads out by any amount. To be honest I have not used it yet but you never know. I think in Sonar you can do the same thing by altering note start times as well as lengths.
 
 

Really good Jeff. Gona try that Out tomorrow.

I can't make it work. anything i do wrong?

the tempo change like normal.

If I wanted the beat of a song to be twice as fast, which is what I think you are asking, I would enter MIDI notes in a seperate track between the drum notes for the existing track for 1 measure, groove-loop that clip and drag it out to the end of the song.