Mystery dropout due to mystery MIDI drum clip

Okay, I just figured out a workaround and the specific details to some of the nuances will have to be dealt with by a baker, if at all but if anyone has any idea about how a MIDI clip could cause so much chaos or have experienced this behavior before I'm all ears because I would like to avoid this in the future.
 
I really have no idea what, if anything, is special about this clip. It was just a drum take I made with my padKontrol, one of many in that session in that exact same spot, that just refuses to be moved, removed or even looked at without causing all sorts of wacky stuff.
 
:-/

Try:
Export the midi clip and then try to import it back in.
 
Just mute the clip with out cropping it at all.
 
Lasso each small section of the clip and copy past to another clip, using a new clip/trk each time until you come to  the info that is giving the trouble.
 
The only reason I can think of is that you might have cropped the clip at one time and the extra info that Sonar is trying to keep is preventing the delte and such. IDK. Just guessing.

I've tried a bunch of different stuff and it won't even let me get near it without causing weird behavior or crashes so I've just left it where it is and have been working around it. I managed to get the clips I want bounce/comped together and I've successfully edited that to my liking and it will now all be bounced to audio (fingers crossed). Then if need be I'll use Save As then delete the offending material so it is gone. If I'm still having problems then I'll simply start a new project and import all the audio waves into that and let the MIDI version rot where it is unless I decide to go back and redo it. However with this song if I do decide to redo it I will start from scratch because it was one of my first projects and it's a little wonked so I know I can do much better now.
 
The thing I'm mostly curious about is how the heck a tiny little MIDI clip can cause so much chaos within a project? I experience very few full on crashes with X2 but any time I fiddle with this one clip too much totally craps the bed. It is very odd.

Beepster if you tried the bounce to clip to no avail how about this, did you try to delete the clip through the events list?

I'm thinking beep that if you need anything further from this project, you should just bite the bullet and start a new one. Sometimes, for what ever reason, things get corrupted. Seen it before. And it's just best to start over instead of trying to tip-toe around something.

If it were me I'd export all my takes and then import back in the new project.

Thanks for the tips guys. They will be noted for future needs. I was trying to do something kind of fancy in this case that seemed to irritate that clip. Normally that wouldn't happen (I hope) but because of that nasty little thingie I just had to fall back on what worked before. I just hope it doesn't give me a hard time while I bounce all the tracks to audio... which if I can get my arse in gear I will be doing this afternoon.
 
Thanks again for pontificating on such a weird and presumably rare (if not completely isolated) happenstance. I always seem to find the fun stuff, eh? ;-)

weird! definitely post any updates

I would look close at the midi data itself, is it at all possible the midi is triggering a hidden note that is not applicable ?
IE-its triggering something that is causing the crash.

chuckebaby
I would look close at the midi data itself, is it at all possible the midi is triggering a hidden note that is not applicable ?
IE-its triggering something that is causing the crash.

hmm... not sure how it would do that unless, as I was wondering about earlier, the pK sent a bad note. IIRC I had the entire controller mapped (as in all the pads were going to notes used in the project all of which were successfully triggered before and after without causing problems) so anything that got inputted SHOULD have been a valid entry. I guess maybe there is a bad velocity layer in there somewhere but this is the Rock Legends kit for BFD from Platinum Samples. It should be pretty solid.
 
Also... hi, Chuck. Don't see you around much anymore. Hope everything's alright. Cheers. :-)
 

brundlefly
Anything in the Event List?

This is something I hadn't thought of mainly because I've never used the EL before. It confused the heck out of me but I know enough about MIDI now to at least read and understand the data. I'll try this after I safely get what I need to move on to the mixing phase before I fiddle with that though because I don't want to tempt fate and end up with an unusable project because I was curious.
 
But... does the EL show ALL MIDI data in the project or is it clip specific? Will it show archived data? Layered clips (takes)? Will I have to select the problem clip to see what's there or expand it? If the EL doesn't show anything other than currently selected or audible/active data then I doubt it'll show anything because I can't actually get the data displayed. It's just a vertical line left after slip editing it down to nothing and as I said it won't let me near it.
 
Good suggestion though. I should start looking at the Event List in general anyway just to gain a better grasp on MIDI stuff. Cheers.