UAD-2 (7.3) and X3c

I have given up on X3 until UAD plugs work with it properly.

I have given up on UAD until it works properly with Sonar X3.
I have a new in the box, still sealed in plastic, UAD-2 Duo if anyone is interested...
Got it last year when I picked up a second LA-610; it works "fine" with Sonar .
 
Tom

There's another thread on the forum with my unsolved UAD-2/Sonar X3 troubles. http://forum.cakewalk.com/Lovin-X3-But-Not-UAD-m2911112.aspx
 
My problems are not exactly the ones you've been having, but they are definitely show stoppers. Both Universal Audio and Cakewalk were officially notified 3 weeks ago and have returned acknowledgement emails.
 
Meanwhile, I'm getting used to life without my precious UAD plug-in's, and Sonar X3 is so feature-packed that the pain isn't that great.

I've been a UAD user and fan for over 7 years. I don't recall having these kinds of project-stopping problems with Sonar before, so there's no comparison for how long it will take to fix things. I can be patient, but in the meantime there's work that must be done, and I'm having to learn to do it without my UAD plug-ins.
 
As far as I'm concerned, UAD plug-ins are the best, but I'm worried by the fact that the UAD-2 system is not tested like it should be on Sonar.  I switched to Sonar in the first place because the DAW I had been using was not working properly with UAD, and the Sonar/UAD combo have performed well together until now.
 
According to a recent poll on the UAD forum, Sonar ranks as the #4 DAW with UAD users. Strangely, the newest 7.3 update lists Nuendo as a "qualified host", while in the users' poll Nuendo ranks 7th, with barely more than half the users of Sonar. If it were my business, I'd make sure my product worked flawlessly with DAW #4, before worrying about numbers 5, 6 or 7.

melmyers
I've been a UAD user and fan for over 7 years. I don't recall having these kinds of project-stopping problems with Sonar before, so there's no comparison for how long it will take to fix things. I can be patient, but in the meantime there's work that must be done, and I'm having to learn to do it without my UAD plug-ins.
 
As far as I'm concerned, UAD plug-ins are the best, but I'm worried by the fact that the UAD-2 system is not tested like it should be on Sonar.  I switched to Sonar in the first place because the DAW I had been using was not working properly with UAD, and the Sonar/UAD combo have performed well together until now.
 
According to a recent poll on the UAD forum, Sonar ranks as the #4 DAW with UAD users. Strangely, the newest 7.3 update lists Nuendo as a "qualified host", while in the users' poll Nuendo ranks 7th, with barely more than half the users of Sonar. If it were my business, I'd make sure my product worked flawlessly with DAW #4, before worrying about numbers 5, 6 or 7.

Mel, you didn't have problems with UAD in previous versions of Sonar because:
 
1. UAD was testing in house with Sonar. Remember we used to have our own  Sonar enhancement button on the UAD console? LOL!
 
2. The plugin manager is different in Sonar than it was in earlier versions. Especially now in X3 with VST3 etc.
 
3. UAD has some weird "chain API" code that makes them NOT behave like other plugins. I had a conversation with Noel and he mentioned trying to see what he could do about it at some point. This *could* be part of the UAD problem, but I really don't know for sure. I reported my UAD problems past and present and happened to get Noel helping me...so that's all I know at this point and I've not talked to him in a while. He's a mad scientist though, so hopefully he's cooking something up for us in the near future.
 
My advice is...try to hang in there with Sonar and this release. I see new patches and Baker support like crazy. They are really trying to make this release right. When a company tries like they are right now, patience is an easy one for me. I can always get by using X1 or X2 until they totally fix X3 if I experience any show stoppers. But thankfully, as of now, I'm not having any issues at all with X3 or UAD 2's. (other than if you export with the Fatso on the master bus, it takes TRIPLE the time it would take without it!)
 
For those worried about the default directory UAD installs to, just copy and paste the plugs to the folder of your choice. Just make sure if you use both Sonar 32 and 64, that you do NOT have the UAD 32 bit plugs listed in the 64 bit plugin scan and you'll be fine.
 
If by chance anyone is having insane problems with UAD (I did have some major issues before the last update) I recommend uninstalling, making a back-up of your presets, then deleting all UAD registry items as well as folders and plugs...then reinstall. I seemed to have had a problem with all the UAD updates over time. The last one just didn't work right. Uninstalling, removing UAD registry items, dumping all folders and plugs resolved the issue as well as manually moving the UAD plugs to the VST folders *I* wanted to use. Then of course, a reset and rescan of your plugs (make sure you check rescan existing plugs and rescan failed plugs) and you should be golden. Well, at least I was this particular time. :)
 
-Danny

Danny, I had forgotten all about the Sonar button on the UAD console! It's that very button that put "Sonar" in my head when I was ready to drop my old DAW for not playing well with the UAD system.
 
I figured, "Well, if Universal Audio works so well with Sonar that they have a special button for it alone, that's what I need to get." Little did I know that UA would eventually decide against Sonar as a "qualified host application".  

Man I hope X3d addresses the UAD issues...
I'm still on X3b as I'm in the middle of a job, but from the sounds of it X3c still hasn't resolved anything...? 
Having worse-than-usual issues tonight with UAD plugs crashing on insert, switching to mono outputs (?!), randomly disabling, and GUI freezes after about 5 minutes of use.
It could be something that needs to also be addressed from the UAD side, but either way it is rendering Sonar unusable for me and adding hours to my session, keeping me from my bed tonight 

This thread is a good example of why I'm still on UAD 6.2 or whatever.  I'm not upgrading (hence, buying newer plugins) until things are worked out.  However, I use UAD daily... a lot... so I'm not dumping it.
 
If I had to pick, I'd actually choose UAD over my DAW of choice.  I use their plugs a ton and work quickly with them.  If Sonar and UAD don't get along I'll just have to look at my options.

That being said, I have no showstoppers as of now regarding UAD/Sonar.  However, if I need to upgrade to 7.x I'm a bit worried.