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2013/11/07 15:37:46 (permalink)

inporting 24/48 track into my 24/44.1 project...weird

So an outside vocalist recorded tracks for a demo -- didn't follow my specific directions (ugh) -- and sent me 24/48 wave files.  I figured "no biggie" and imported them into my 24/44.1 project.  As it was importing, I saw Sonar say "sample rate conversion", which I figured it would do, but when it was finished importing the tracks, starting from 0, the actual vocal didn't start until measure 1200-something.  Yes...over a thousand measures of "dots" showing me something was on the track, which once I found it, grabbed and slid back to zero where everything lined up.  That was weird thing #1.
 
Weird thing #2 is that the track sounds like it has a little "warble" on it, which is made even worse by the fact that he used a little too much auto tuner...I really can't tell what may be causing what, or what I'm hearing.
 
Has anyone ever experienced anything similar?  I know the easy solution would be for him to resend the files 24/44.1, but that's not really a feasible option with his tour schedule.  I even downloaded Audacity to possibly convert it outside of Sonar but, well, really didn't know what I was doing.
 
For reference, I'm using a Roland Quad-Capture set to 44.1.  I'm just stumped, as it sounds like something is off with the track (artifacts, etc.), and I didn't really think it would be an issue.  Should I change my Quad to 48 and play the wave file back via Windows Media or similar to see what's going on?  I can't figure out if the source of the weirdness is Sonar, the wave file, my sound card, or any/all of the above.

Ideas???!!?  Thanks in advance.
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Re: inporting 24/48 track into my 24/44.1 project...weird 2013/11/07 15:50:05 (permalink)
I'd tell him to send me a version WITHOUT the autotune stuff (seriously that's the engineer's job and likely the source of the wobble). If he recorded it at 44.1 well not much can be done there except rerecord I guess so either bring the whole project down to match it or upsample the clip (let Sonar do the conversion on import or maybe you could import just the wave into a new project then export it at the right sample if you want to play with the settings a bit then bring it into the original project). When you import the file disable the Import at Original Timestamp settings (or whatever it's called) if you don't want to go hunting for it but that's not a big deal really.
 
Kind of weird how he managed to get it at bar 1200 though. Maybe he only has one gigantic project he tosses everything into to work on or something. lol
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Re: inporting 24/48 track into my 24/44.1 project...weird 2013/11/07 15:58:26 (permalink)
Beep maybe I misunderstood but I read it as the OP has Sonar set at 44.1 and the foreign tracks are 48. At least that is what the title says.  

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Re: inporting 24/48 track into my 24/44.1 project...weird 2013/11/07 16:02:20 (permalink)
Oh yeah... you're right. Still all that should still be valid anyway AFAIK... except for upsampling which makes things even less of a problem.
 
NEVER let a singer do their own autotuning. lol
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Re: inporting 24/48 track into my 24/44.1 project...weird 2013/11/07 16:09:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby caminitic 2013/11/07 22:26:29
As for the import to measure 1200+ that could happen because of the "broadcast wave" SMPTE timestamp property and Sonar's choice set to "Always Import Broadcast Waves At Their Timestamp" global option in Edit > Preferences > File - Audio Data.
 
Sample rate conversion most likely did not cause the artifacts you heard. Playing the files back directly at their native sample rate might help convince you of that.
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Re: inporting 24/48 track into my 24/44.1 project...weird 2013/11/07 22:27:34 (permalink)
Thanks for your input.  All I asked for was clean, uncompressed, 24/44.1 files, and what I received back was smacked Ke$ha vocals at 24/48...  =-/
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Re: inporting 24/48 track into my 24/44.1 project...weird 2013/11/07 23:43:34 (permalink)
Try a third party sample rate converter. R8brain is free and does a great job.

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