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juicebass
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November 11, 13 10:22 AM (permalink)

Missing plugins

Opened sonar today and opened up the 50 some odd track project I was mixing and all of the synth plug in were missing........WTF sonar? Any ideas?
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    mettelus
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    Re: Missing plugins November 11, 13 10:35 AM (permalink)
    Which version? I have seen a few threads where folks needed to re-scan plugs after updating to X3c... Try a manual scan (in Preferences) on them and check "Rescan existing plug-ins" and "Rescan failed plug-ins" before the scan. See if that finds them for you.

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    Re: Missing plugins November 11, 13 10:38 AM (permalink)
    could it be related to your post in the general forum?
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    Re: Missing plugins November 11, 13 10:47 AM (permalink)
    The other thread is here for reference http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/2927995
     
    I definitely have to let someone who has Waves step in. There is a lot in the forum on Waves plugs, and I do not own them.

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    Re: Missing plugins November 11, 13 11:22 AM (permalink)
    Could it be related to my post about exporting audio? I guess it could but who knows. I wasn't able to work that issue out either. Mettelus, I will try that now. My version is X2a on windows 7 64 bit.
     
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    Re: Missing plugins November 11, 13 12:37 AM (permalink)
    Tried running the scan. no go. As a matter of fact it happened in another project as well.
    Next question. I guess I'm going to insert new soft synths find a patch that was close and drag in the recorded midi notes. I'm about one more disaster away from abandoning sonar. I miss sonar 6. That **** was way more stable.
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    Re: Missing plugins November 11, 13 1:02 PM (permalink)
    Through the course of the X3 launch we've had to make several changes to the VST scanner to help with 3rd partly VST3's not getting scanned properly. Some of these changes have made it necessary for some users to reset and rescan their plug-ins. Try going to Preferences | VST Settings, uncheck Rescan Existing and Rescan Failed, set the scanner mode to Auto and press the reset button. Once the VST scanner has done a complete rescan try loading up some of the synths in a blank project. If all is good try to load the project in question and see if the synths are being loaded correctly.

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    Re: Missing plugins November 11, 13 1:06 PM (permalink)
    There may well be something going on with the massive changes to the Plugin Manager for X3.
     
    I have a bizarre plugin situation, where I am able to see a particular 32-bit synth in the drop-down list for inserting a soft synth into the synth rack, but when I go to the Plugin Manager to look for its properties, I cannot see it anywhere in Plugin Manager.
     
    So, how is it that I can use it, but the plugin manager doesn't display it?
     
    Edited to remove request for Cakewalk input to the thread, since they posted while I was typing in my original post here. :)
     
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    Re: Missing plugins November 11, 13 1:58 PM (permalink)
    The OP is apparently using X2a, so the scanner changes in X3 shouldn't be a factor (assuming he's not also running that!)
     

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    Re: Missing plugins November 12, 13 9:16 AM (permalink)
    Yes I am using X2a except, after spending an hour on the phone with Tec support yesterday and he couldnt figure out why none of the VST plugs that come bundled with Sonar are showing up. He suggested a fresh install of Sonar :( I did that..............twice now and the problem is still there. Just for ****s and giggles I installed a free voxengo plugin to see if it would scan and use it just fine and it does.
    I guess it's back on the phone later today when they open at 1:00pm.
     
    FYI, my DAW computer is new and has only ever been connected to the internet except to register cakewalk and sony vegas. NO porn, no downloads no nothing like that. I appreciate everybody's help and suggestion and even appreciate the guy who tried to hijack the post. cuz all of if could be useful, that is if sonar wasn't so god damn buggy. The only thing keeping me from changing DAW's is 12 years of history.
    But Sonar I want to say **** you! I love/hate you.
     
    Side note: I will update after I speak with customer service later today. Oh, I do want to say that cakewalk customer service is extremely helpful and always available. That said, they have to be cuz the product is stupid buggy.
     
     
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    Re: Missing plugins November 12, 13 11:45 AM (permalink)
    juicebass
     
    Side note: I will update after I speak with customer service later today. Oh, I do want to say that cakewalk customer service is extremely helpful and always available. That said, they have to be cuz the product is stupid buggy.
     
     


    "Stupid buggy"?   No, at least not for most.  Particularly X2 and simply finding VSTs - that's been a bigger issue in X3 due to all the changes to accommodate VST3.
     
    That said - have you checked that your VST folders are defined correctly in Preferences?  Reinstall and rescan wouldn't affect anything if the VSTs are not in a folder that SONAR is pointing to.   It's a long shot, but worth confirming.
     

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    Re: Missing plugins November 12, 13 11:52 AM (permalink)
    @juicebass - what OS version are you running?  Also, there are Sonar dependencies on certain maintenance being present to run properly, and you indicated you only connected to the internet for registration of Sonar and Vegas.
     
    To run anything beyond X2, you MUST have at a minimum Windows 7 with Service Pack 1 installed, and even for Windows 8 there are issues if maintenance is not up to current levels.
     
    I would suggest you make sure you get your Windows Update maintenance all caught up, and then see how things run.
     
    I believe that since there are not a lot of similar issues to yours being reported, that there is a chance that these issues are local to you - meaning something in your environment, and my bet would be that maintenance levels play a part in what you are experiencing.
     
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    Re: Missing plugins November 12, 13 2:51 PM (permalink)
    Bob, thank you. That is actually the same advice that a friend of mine gave me. I am musically smart and can navigate Sonar with the best of them but when it comes to actual computer stuff. I'm an idiot. I was told by him and now by you that I need to keep the thing on the internet to receive all the updates and what not. I remember being to a while back to keep my DAW off the internet but I guess things change and bad advice is always a consideration. Anyway, I'm re-imaging my computer, re-installing sonar X2.
     
    That being said, should I get the X2a update as well? I think "a" is for windows 8 support right?
    should I do it for windows 7?
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    Re: Missing plugins November 12, 13 4:47 PM (permalink)
    There exists a set of folks who connect to the internet only periodically, to get updates for Windows and other products, then they disconnect again, for some period of time, so you could do something like that.
     
    Connecting to the web isn't really the issue, it's where you go on the web and how well you protect yourself that are determinant factors in the land of potential viruses.  
     
    My music computer is hooked up to the web, and I surf all over the web all the time.  I have decent antivirus software and keep both it and Windows up to date, and have no issues.
     
    X2a, by the way, contains well over 250 fixes, among whatever functionality that they included, as well.
     
    I believe X2a to have been a good and stable release on my system, for my work flow, and I recommend it.
     
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    Re: Missing plugins November 12, 13 6:52 PM (permalink)
    robert_e_bone
    There exists a set of folks who connect to the internet only periodically, to get updates for Windows and other products, then they disconnect again, for some period of time, so you could do something like that.
     
    Connecting to the web isn't really the issue, it's where you go on the web and how well you protect yourself that are determinant factors in the land of potential viruses.  
     



    ^^^^  That'd be me as of last month.   I bought a USB wireless adapter for the XLN stuff, and it's worked out great.   Other than that and visiting here, I don't do much else online.   And I plan to keep it that way.
     

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    Re: Missing plugins November 12, 13 8:56 PM (permalink)
    There exists a set of folks who connect to the internet only periodically,
    to get updates for Windows and other products, then they disconnect again, for some period of time....
     

     
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    Re: Missing plugins November 13, 13 0:18 PM (permalink)
    Is that a Sonar user group in the UK?

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    Re: Missing plugins November 13, 13 7:07 AM (permalink)
    @Alex - Now THAT's funny.
     
    Thanks for making my morning.
     
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    Re: Missing plugins November 13, 13 10:48 AM (permalink)
    :)

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    Re: Missing plugins November 13, 13 11:17 AM (permalink)
    mudgel
    Is that a Sonar user group in the UK?

    I think it's all of us, except I can't see me there

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    Re: Missing plugins November 13, 13 12:08 AM (permalink)
    ouch... i guess that makes me a druid too. never thought of myself quite that way, but, looking back, it would explain a few things...

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    Re: Missing plugins November 13, 13 12:56 AM (permalink)
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    Is that a Sonar user group in the UK?

    I think it's all of us, except I can't see me there


    You were the one holding the camera, DOH! :)
     
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    Re: Missing plugins November 13, 13 5:02 PM (permalink)
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    Is that a Sonar user group in the UK?

    I think it's all of us, except I can't see me there


    You were the one holding the camera, DOH! :)
     
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