I meant Mustang Sally in the generic sense, representing the general simplicity of much of what is out there, in terms of sequencing complexity.
 
No judgment of that whole set of songs - just an observation on the lack of difficulty in sequencing that sort of song versus perhaps Emerson Lake and Palmer Pirates.
 
It is nice when someone else is aware of folks like Allan Holdsworth, by the way, and I wanted to say thanks for listening to any of that sort of stuff.  I am a keyboard player without a band to play that kind of stuff out, so it is at least cheerful that someone else knows anything about that vein of music.
 
Bob Bone

stevec
Long time Holdsworth fan here... going back to the 70s (I have the Tempest album on vinyl!) in addition to UK, solo albums, etc.   But I don't recall "Mac Man"...?
 
Also a big Bruford fan as well - one of my biggest drummer influences.
 

I am in the process of building all-midi versions of Fainting in Coils and In the Dead of Night.  I have all parts done except for the guitar leads, and when finished with a midi version of Steve Morse's Night Meets Light and Jean Luc Ponty's Mirage, I will circle back and finish up the Fainting in Coils and In the Dead of Night tunes.  (I am a keyboard player).
 
I have seen Holdsworth many many times, and met he and his band a couple of times.
 
Mac Man comes off an album called Sand.  Here is a link to it on YouTube:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BOkgNkkUEE
 
Enjoy, 
 
Bob Bone
 

Dear Friends,
When I reviewed the latest posts, I got that, they were more promising in compare with the initial posts. It can say that many of us are interested to rectify the challenge. Great!
I have to express some facts, which may help us, to look better at the project.

1. We cannot wait till somebody from a company, provide us an application to convert Audio to Midi tracks, because business entities, works for earning money. And I do not thing that it would be attractive for them.
2. I am an Accounting Manager, and music is not my occupation. I am also a keyboard player, not a very professional one. I recently use the music softwares, in order to rectify my requirements. Therefore I am not also professional in the field. Therefore I cannot finish the project by myself.
3. This forum is full of Professional members who, at least, one time tried the same thing that I have posed in the tread. Now, Imagine all try to look at the subject together. What will happen? Till now that I am writing this post, the thread has been viewed 387 times.

I consider that 300 ones are interested on the Matter. Now imagine that, each one just spend 15 minutes per day to research about it. The result would be 300*15’=4500’ per day
Now visualize that anyone can convince just one of his friends to joint on the project. The result would be changed to 9,000’ per day which is equal to 150 h per day!!
 
Now you think how many days we needs to get the conclusion?
Regards
Ramtin
 

As much as we all hope for such a product, it is beyond the reach of current audio processing - even on a professional level.
 
There are countless posts on the web as to why this is the case.
 
I have nothing further to offer on this matter - in my opinion it simply cannot be done well enough to be usable.
 
Many companies have tried to do this.  It is the Holy Grail of pitch extraction. 
 
I will be backing out of this thread.
 
Bob Bone
 

ramtin
Dear Friends,
When I reviewed the latest posts, I got that, they were more promising in compare with the initial posts. It can say that many of us are interested to rectify the challenge. Great!
I have to express some facts, which may help us, to look better at the project.

1. We cannot wait till somebody from a company, provide us an application to convert Audio to Midi tracks, because business entities, works for earning money. And I do not thing that it would be attractive for them.
2. I am an Accounting Manager, and music is not my occupation. I am also a keyboard player, not a very professional one. I recently use the music softwares, in order to rectify my requirements. Therefore I am not also professional in the field. Therefore I cannot finish the project by myself.
3. This forum is full of Professional members who, at least, one time tried the same thing that I have posed in the tread. Now, Imagine all try to look at the subject together. What will happen? Till now that I am writing this post, the thread has been viewed 387 times.

I consider that 300 ones are interested on the Matter. Now imagine that, each one just spend 15 minutes per day to research about it. The result would be 300*15’=4500’ per day
Now visualize that anyone can convince just one of his friends to joint on the project. The result would be changed to 9,000’ per day which is equal to 150 h per day!!
 
Now you think how many days we needs to get the conclusion?
Regards
Ramtin
 

I'm not sure if you are reading the same thread I am. Extracting MIDI from a song with any degree of accuracy is going to be very difficult.  Perhaps in the future it will be a normal thing to do but at present it is not. I think its clear that the consensus is that it is not a viable thing to do.
 
As far as throwing more people at it in order to spread the work around is concerned it would be far more productive to have people write the MIDI from scratch then have them try to convert audio to MIDI.
 
 

There's nothing to comment, it's all in SONAR manual and that's been a routine for many many years for drums with Audio Snap, for example, as it is to convert monofonic instruments to MIDI, if they are simple and clean enough. Melodyne can even convert multitimbral sounds surprisingly well in some cases.
However, what you ask in your opening post is still not possible today.

Ramtin..clean drums might be the easiest thing to extract. Unfortunately after that it gets murkier.

Dear John and dear Sweetfilter,
Thanks a lot for your nice comments. Actually,I strongly respect to your professional knowledge as well as other members. I am never interested on disturbing anyone, or kidding and laughing at any posts.
As I have written In my profile, My nationality is Iranian and I leave in Iran. Therefore my native language is Persian.
Maybe, I can not use English language as well as you speak, But I can realize the comments which advises me "It is not possible". Just the things that I am fallowing on the thread is that Maybe, Maybe, Maybe By Co-thinking can we reach to a desire conclusion. I believe that the best conclusion comes from good Ideas. Let we see, maybe someone has had good Idea!
 

bvideo
pessimistic: 20*3*(126000000/4)/(20*10*240) ~= 39400 (roughly equivalent to 300 million people working 15' each one time, or 126000 people working diligently 15' a day for 10 years).

AHA! So... If we give this to either China or India, we could have it completed in only 3-4 minutes!!

ramtin

Atsuko
Ramtin,
assuming you want to really do this job, give a look at this: Remixing and Remastering with R-MIX SONAR – A Case Study by Noel Borthwick: http://blog.cakewalk.com/remixing-and-remastering-with-r-mix-sonar-a-case-study-by-noel-borthwick/
Hope it gives you some ideas...

Dear Atsuko,
Thanks, for your helpful Reference.However, It was not regarding convert Audio file to MIDI Tracks, But,definitely,when,Noel Borthwick was going to do the Case Study,Many people believed that, it was not possible!
 
Regards,
Ramtin. 

Hi, Ramtin,
the case study presents ways to filter frequencies with R-Mix.  Then, you could separate into tracks and convert them to midi.  The way I say it, seems to be an easy job but, of course, you know you have a long road to drive until you find good results.  Good luck!

I don't think exploring the concept is a complete waste of time, provided your goals are realistic.  Every now and then you can luck out and pull a prominent instrument out of a mix enough to get starting point for that instrument.  If you can be successful grabbing one instrument, it lightens the guesswork on some of the other instruments for those of us without perfect pitch and chord recognition.

worstcaseontario

I accidentally dropped an audio clip into a MIDI track in Sonar X3 Pro

And it turned into a MIDI clip. And the MIDI clip played a line VERY close to the audio. If I'd known Sonar X3 could do that, I would have got it years ago. 
 

 
I was searching the forum for some other purpose and accidently I found the post. I recommend that visit the link below.It would be intersting for you!
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/2908365
 
Regard
Ramtin

Ramtin - it will take some time and lots of exploring, to develop a good level of knowledge of the capabilities and limitations of Sonar, and of audio processing in general on a computer.
 
It is a good thing that you are looking into all of this, however I would suggest you take a look at starting with getting a good awareness of the functional capabilities that are already present, because this will advance your ability to USE all of the functionality already built into the product.
 
There are lots of free videos, as well as ones for purchase, and there are also some TRULY well-written books on getting the most out of a given version of Sonar, as well as some basic tutorials, all to get you up to speed.
 
So, grab some coffee, arm some tracks, and dive in.  ALL of us have had to, and are still going through, a learning curve with Sonar.  The trick is to learn how to learn - learn how to find help in the documentation, where to go to find books and videos, take a few hours or a whole day, and read through the Sonar documentation.  Make notes, or create hundreds of little 'snippet' notes in Notepad, so you can look things up later, as needed.
 
I hope you have a lot of fun getting to know Sonar, and that you learn to express yourself musically with it.  It's a great product, and a great forum from which you can draw help when you need it.
 
Bob Bone