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2013/11/18 17:16:10 (permalink)

Panning Problem

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I am recording guitar and bass through a scarlett 2i2.
I notice when I pan the guitars 100% there is still sound in the opposite channel, barely audible, but there none the less.
The track has been bounced to mono.  I have changed my I/O config a hundred times, turned off all fx and amp sims and it's still there.
Did I have the wrong config when I actually recorded?  Seems if it 'sbeen bounced to a mono track then that should not matter.
As always thanks in advance.

 
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    gswitz
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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/18 17:20:06 (permalink)
    I know stereo and mono panning works differently by spec.

    If you are in mono and pan all the way, there should be nothing in the other channel. Bypass FX to be sure it isn't stereo reverb or something.

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/18 17:29:21 (permalink)
    Yep, ALL fx off. I deleted the amp sim from the channel as well.  Just a dry mono channel, no bus, and it wont pan all the way.
    My inputs for the channel are Focusrite left - right- stereo, I have tried all 3 numerous times.
    Output is set to Master with no fx on the Master bus.

     
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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/19 03:40:05 (permalink)
    What are your meters showing you when you record/play?
     
    Start by checking it's ok at track level, then buss, then master.
     
    It's important you do it in this order. And please make sure your track interleave is set to mono, otherwise weird things WILL happen.

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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/19 06:25:28 (permalink)
    I had the same issue with my Presonus Firestudio Mobile.  Great box and inputs for the money. After about two months of tackling the issue, it was retired and is collecting dust (two years ago).  As far as I'm concerned, if I have to spend too much time trying to configure gear, it stays out of my arsenal. 
     
    I checked my board, "Windows", and the Presonus app settings.  After I reached my limits, I reverted back to ye ole faithful, my "M-Audio Audiophile 24/96", which I've been using strong since my first purchase of the original "Sonar" in 2000.
     
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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/19 07:40:19 (permalink)
    @OriginalDunga
    I totally spend time configuring gear!!
    I spend a LOT of time configuring gear.
    My guitars.
    My Amps.
    Pedal Boards.
    And the software that comes with my interface is just another part of my gear that needs love.
    I re-read the help file for my interface on rainy afternoons like it's a mystery novel and I'm hunting for clues.
     

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/19 07:47:44 (permalink)
    originaldunga if I have to spend too much time trying to configure gear, it stays out of my arsenal.

    this
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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/19 10:16:49 (permalink)
    MetalTeK

    My inputs for the channel are Focusrite left - right- stereo, I have tried all 3 numerous times.
    Output is set to Master with no fx on the Master bus.


    I also have a focusrite saffire. I tried to pan a mono track and also got sound in the muted side of the headphones. I had to go to the master and change the master to mono in order to get a silent side.
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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/19 11:27:10 (permalink)
    I run 2 different Focusrites and never get this problem.
     
    But until MetalTek gets back to us, we're just shooting in the dark.

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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/19 12:10:03 (permalink)
    Uhg....thanks a lot everyone.  

    I Record on a dry track, no bus with Pan set to 0.  
    Output set to Master
    Now when I set input to Focusrite "Stereo" the meters only show sound in the left channel, but I can hear residual noise in the right.
    When I set input to Focusrite "Right" nothing shows in the meters.
    And oddly enough when I Set input to Focusrite "Left", both channels show input.



    post edited by MetalTeK - 2013/11/19 12:20:37

     
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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/19 12:52:42 (permalink)
    what type of montoring are you using? headphones? or studio monitors connected via a single sub woofer ...??? could be an analogue issues in your monitoring chain (headphone cable, sub woofer bleeding into other channel)...
     
    export the file from Sonar and re-import it and check the waveform display to see if the second channel shows anything (if zoomed) or if it is truly flat - if it is indeed flat, your "problem" in not inside sonar

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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/19 12:54:46 (permalink)
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    ... but I can hear residual noise in the right.




    what you mean by that? do you hear traces of your recordings or just noise - that later could be induced by improper grounding (50Hz/60Hz hum depending where you are)

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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/19 14:22:02 (permalink)
    Sorry, by that I mean faint guitar.

    I don't have monitors, just a 2.1 speaker system, but I also tried with head phones.
    I imported a wav sample just to bypass my interface altogether, and still the same thing.
    Whether it is in stereo or after I convert to mono....when I pan 100% there is still some sound in the other channel

    Also, the meters dont show sound in the opposite channel but I can clearly hear it, as ever so subtle as it may be, it is annoying as ****!

    This is only one problem I am dealing with If I ever get this cleared up I still have CPU spikes, popping and dropouts,  
    and other goofy crap going on when I am only using like 10% of my CPU and about 25% of my memory.
    However, another thing I notice is when I am listening to a song my memory just continues to exponentially climb until I have to restart Sonar.
    Even when I stop the song, the memory keeps climbing once I have pushed play.

    I am wondering if most of my problems are related to Focusrites USB ASIO driver.


    post edited by MetalTeK - 2013/11/19 14:39:16

     
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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/20 13:25:49 (permalink)
    this doesn't really sound like a sonar issue. like you i'd be suspicious about the interface. have you checked if there is a new ASIO driver for your interface?
     
    could you potentially borrow a different interface from a friend / retailer to see if this really your focusrite causing it?

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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/20 13:44:19 (permalink)
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    this doesn't really sound like a sonar issue. like you i'd be su****ious about the interface. have you checked if there is a new ASIO driver for your interface?
     
    could you potentially borrow a different interface from a friend / retailer to see if this really your focusrite causing it?




    Also, try plugging into a different USB port (Not all are created equal).

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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/20 14:06:11 (permalink)
    MetalTeK

    I Record on a dry track, no bus with Pan set to 0.  
    Output set to Master
    Now when I set input to Focusrite "Stereo" the meters only show sound in the left channel, but I can hear residual noise in the right.
    When I set input to Focusrite "Right" nothing shows in the meters.
    And oddly enough when I Set input to Focusrite "Left", both channels show input.





    You are getting a lot of help of the thread and this description of recording a mono guitar on the left channel reads correct except for the "residual noise in the right".
     
    If this is not happening at the audio interface, it could also occur if the PC Console Emulation has "Tolerance" enabled. The "Tolerance" feature introduces some crosstalk between the channels.
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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/20 14:06:26 (permalink)
    is it present in a mixed down wav or just during project playback?
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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/20 14:06:51 (permalink)
    Dear Cakewalk,
     
    Please remove "suspicious" from the language filters. 
     
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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/20 14:39:40 (permalink)
    If it's just during monitoring while recording it shouldn't be a big problem. If you get actual crosstalk recorded in the waves I'd trade that card in as quickly as possible, that's just useless.
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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/20 14:49:59 (permalink)
    Are your master faders locked together and at the same level?

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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/20 23:36:22 (permalink)
    FreeFlyBert - Yes there have been 3 driver updates since I purchased this interface.  The same crap with all 3 versions.

    JonD - Will do.  Can you elaborate though?  I have heard mention of this before.

    Scook - Yea, no such setting that I know of on my PC.

    Lawp - During Record and Playback

    Britol Jonesey - Yes Master faders locked at Zero.

     
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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/20 23:45:45 (permalink)
    MetalTeK

    Scook - Yea, no such setting that I know of on my PC.

    The PC  I was referring to was the ProChannel in SONAR. The Console Emulation plug-in can create crosstalk.
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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/21 00:05:20 (permalink)
    I don't use Pro Channel.  Nothing is on in Pro Channel.  So does this still matter?

    Also, I exported the bass panned 100% left and I still hear it in the right.  

    I actually returned an Onyx Blackjack because of the same type of BS.
    Mainly popping and just seemed like there was some underlying driver conflict but the focusrite is even worse.
    Funny its almost the exact same BS But I've built a completely new PC since then so I know it's not my PC.

     
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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/21 00:19:02 (permalink)
    Check to make sure you are not in OFFSET MODE!
    A simple push of "O" (that's the letter" on your keyboard) will toggle this on/off.
     
    It is one of the best features of Sonar, but also one of the easiest to "screw everything up" when you don't know you are there! If you have panning problems - check "offset mode".

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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/21 00:27:29 (permalink)
    It could be the PC motherboard. If you are experiencing noisy connections with different USB connected interfaces and the USB ports you are connecting to are on the motherboard, you might consider a separate USB card.
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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/21 00:53:42 (permalink)
    Codamedia - Thanks! Tried that too. Still not fixing the problem.

    Thanks to everyone.  
    Seems like everyone has thought of just about everything.



     
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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/21 00:57:38 (permalink)
    Scook  -  Are you talking about another usb card that plugs into the MB with like 4 inputs on the back of the PC?
    I have a couple of those around.  
     

     
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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/21 01:03:54 (permalink)
    yes, here is an example from a similar thread about noise http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/2719241
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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/21 01:15:49 (permalink)
    Yea man, thanks.  While it may or may not solve my Panning problem its sounds extremely relevant to all the other problems I have been having.
    The way Anderton describes it is exactly what it seems like.  Like something is competing for the USB Port that my Audio Interface is on.
    I did try different usb inputs on the MB, but I am putting in a card now.
    Thanks to everyone again......I chime back in later, might be tomorrow.

     
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    Re: Panning Problem 2013/11/21 02:57:09 (permalink)
     
    Yea I switched to USB card and unplugged everything else and I still have all the same problems.
    Ugh....



     
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