Quick HPF/LPF question

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2013/11/19 15:33:05 (permalink)

Quick HPF/LPF question

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I want to do some basic HPF and LPF cutoffs for my entire mix (especially the kick/bass) so make it less muddy.  Should this be done on a track-by-track level, or just done with 1 eq on the bus - or both?  Was wondering if there is any benefit to one or the other.
 
Seems redundant to have so many HPF/LPF's in a chain if essentially its on the bus as well.
 
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    Re: Quick HPF/LPF question 2013/11/19 18:22:50 (permalink)
    Always at the track level, with one exception: taking out subsonics on the master bus. Never attempt to fix muddiness with EQ on the master, it doesn't work.


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    Re: Quick HPF/LPF question 2013/11/19 19:24:42 (permalink)
    I always HPF first in the chain on every track, primarily because I don't want any unwanted low end energy influencing the compressor.

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    Re: Quick HPF/LPF question 2013/11/20 10:59:00 (permalink)
    +1 (or is it +2).  Both posts spot on.  If you are using mics, there is all sorts of low noise going on - even in a sealed room.  Get rid of any sonic energy as soon as possible, if for no other reason than low frequencies eat up headroom like a fat man at the buffet table.  Most speaker systems don't go below 40 Hz, but what is down there still gets produced - usually badly.
     
    As to why on both tracks and master?  Because of filter slope for one.  You may set your cut off point at 25 Hz, but it rolls off, not cuts off, so there is still some leakage at 20, 15 etc.  Filters attenuate the lower frequencies on a sliding scale from the cut off point.  If you get rid of most of the low frequency "noise" at the track level, you can use the least amount on the master bus/mastering.  Also, in general, it sounds better to do sonic operations serially, a little cutting here, a little cutting there.  Same w/ dynamics.  Gentley compress going in, a little more on the track, a little more compression on the bus.  If you have wide swings of volume during tracking, it will usually sound more natural if you do a little compressing at each step, rather than squashing the track once.
     
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    Re: Quick HPF/LPF question 2013/11/20 11:20:21 (permalink)
    I think on the Master you might get away with HPF at <30Hz.
     
    +3 :):):)  As stated, the lows and the mud may require track level cleaning.  WAVES has some pretty good noise cleaners (probably better for the mids and up).
     
    Sub and bass compression have always been most difficult for me: Boost 11 doesn't help.  Stuff below 80 Hz might as well be left alone, I dunno.
    Albeit I've had some luck with Maximizers that use transient technology to 'mold' the lows to *sound* louder.
     
    IMHO: compression of subs (on the master) --> muddy master.

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    Re: Quick HPF/LPF question 2013/11/20 15:13:58 (permalink)
    There is another way to look at it. Track level has a lot of control as to what is sent further on. Imagine 8 tracks. One or two of them will have the sounds that are going to be the major par part of the bottom end of the final mix. Say kick and bass.  The other tracks might have some extraneous low end noises on them, rumble, deep subsonic stuff and even a slight build up of bottom end of the sound that may be on those tracks.
     
    The total sound now reaching the final stereo buss will have the two important tracks comprising your bottom end sound plus a whole lot of extra low end stuff that could be easily seen as unnecessary.
    If you are trying to remove it at the stereo buss you sort of can except that in order to clear it up you might have to interfere with the other two tracks. That low end EQ curve may now suit the cleaning up duties but not favour the bottom end of the music such as the kick and bass sounds.
     
    Filtering all the unwanted stuff at track level ensures that the only important bottom end now that reaches the stereo buss, the two tracks that are much more important low end wise. The sound there will be cleaner and punchier without any extraneous stuff going on at all.
     
    In mastering you do actually apply some high and low pass filtering on the mix at times. If you only have the important stuff in the low end present in your stereo mix now when and if you do use a HPF you can set it quite differently now to do just one important job and that is fine tuning the low end of your mix rather than having to set  it for clearing up all that extra subsonic stuff. The sort of EQ curves you are playing with now are focused on just the kick/bass stuff going on. eg leaving the deeper frequencies in so that bass/kick can still sound fat at 41 Hz. (bottom E)

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