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Novation Bass Station locks up X2

As some of you may remember, I recently bought a Focusrite 18i20 audio interface.  It came with some free Focusrite plugins, and also the Novation Bass Station synth.
 
I was curious if any of you have tried the Bass Station.  I got it installed, but when I go to open the GUI...it locks up Sonar to the point of having to close it and reopen.  I get the "white screen" and then it's locked up.
 
I don't even know if it's worth messing with....but if it's decent software I wouldn't mind getting it to work...since it was a freebie.
 
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    Living Room Rocker
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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/09/22 00:25:20 (permalink)
    I've used the same. Perhaps you have the 64bit version in a 32bit host?  I had a similar problem with Pentagon 1 and then tried installing the 32bit version for X2 32bit and the x64bit version for X2 64bit.  After that, Pentagon played nicely in both versions of SONAR. 
     
    Just a shot.
     
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    P.S. I am aware that Pentagon is a DXi and Bass Station is VSTi.
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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/09/22 00:28:05 (permalink)
    I will double check the installer again....I only have the 64 bit ver of Sonar installed...and I usually pay attention to which ver I install of other things because of it....but is definitely something to check.

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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/09/22 00:57:08 (permalink)
    As it stands...I probably won't be using any of the Novation products.  I just visited their website again...and it states that you HAVE to be online to register their products.  My studio machine is NOT online and never has been.  I have another PC in my studio that is online and do all of my downloads and registrations from there.  Any software that I use has to be capable of offline registration.
     
    So much for the Novation freebie......

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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/09/22 04:31:19 (permalink)
    How do you keep that computer up to snuff on Windows maintenance?
     
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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/09/22 04:31:33 (permalink)
    Duplicate - ignore

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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/09/24 11:47:54 (permalink)
    Hi Ted,
     
    Sorry to hear about the trouble with BassStation.  BassStation most certainly works with both 32 and 64 bit versions of Sonar, so I would suggest contacting Novation support here: http://us.novationmusic.com/answerbase/contact
     
    In regards to the registration, while product registration is done through our website, all of the plugin activations have an offline activation mode that you will allow you to activate the plugins on a computer that is not connected to the internet.
     

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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/09/24 11:54:09 (permalink)
    Keeping an eye on this because NBS came with my 18i6. Not sure if it'll do anything my current synths won't but I am curious. Looking forward to finally trying out the Focusrite plugs too now that I have time to experiment.
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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/09/24 14:15:48 (permalink)
    I've used that same version of Bass Station (18i6) in X2a x64 - no issues to speak of.   My DAW is completely offline so I did what Matt described.   It's very specific in what it does, but I think it sounds decent.
     
     

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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/09/30 14:19:03 (permalink)
    Sorry I've let this thread get buried for several days.  I just tried the Bass Station in X3 and it does the same thing.  It adds the synth just fine, but as soon as I try to open the GUI it white screens Sonar and locks up.
     
    I can't even do the offline activation since the plugin will not even open up.  I found the instructions for offline activation that Matt referred to, so once I get it to open I can register it.
     
    I just contacted Novation via their contact page to try to find out what is going on with my install.  I downloaded the install directly from the Focusrite site from within my account.

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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/09/30 14:24:06 (permalink)
    Teds_Studio
    Sorry I've let this thread get buried for several days.  I just tried the Bass Station in X3 and it does the same thing.  It adds the synth just fine, but as soon as I try to open the GUI it white screens Sonar and locks up.
     
    I can't even do the offline activation since the plugin will not even open up.  I found the instructions for offline activation that Matt referred to, so once I get it to open I can register it.
     
    I just contacted Novation via their contact page to try to find out what is going on with my install.  I downloaded the install directly from the Focusrite site from within my account.




    Strange, do you have X-Ray enabled?
    Edit > Preferences (advanced) > Customization > "Enable X-Ray"
     
    What happens when you un-tick that? Same results?
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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/09/30 14:42:41 (permalink)
    Hey Dan,
     
    I just tried unchecking "Enable X-Ray".  Same thing happens.  I add Bass Station as a synth...but when I double click the icon to open up the GUI it white screens and says that Sonar has quit working.  This happens every time.

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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/09/30 15:00:37 (permalink)
    Also just tried uninstalling....and reinstalling JUST the 64 bit.  Still does the same thing.
     
    Guess I'll wait to hear back from Focutrite / Novation.

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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/09/30 15:01:06 (permalink)
    I had the same issues.  Turned out to be the 32 bit in 64 bit host and bit bridge.  In X2a I used jbridge and the issues went away. I then found the 64 bit version redownloaded, got rid of the 32 bit .dll and that took care of it also. In my update to X3 the 64 bit version is not giving me any issues. Also be aware that it will download both a mono and stereor version of the plug so two will appear. IHTH...

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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/09/30 15:12:36 (permalink)
    Well...I just tried again and uninstalled all of the Bass Station.  Then reinstalled JUST the 64 bit parts again.
     
    Even re-downloaded the install file from Focusrite website.
     
    Still doing the same thing.  I have some kind of conflict going on with the synth somehow.

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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/09/30 15:34:44 (permalink)
    Wow.. Can you check in Plug in manager properties and ensure that the uniinstall did not leave an older version of the dll. This could happen if you have a different path to you vst files than the default.  I choose to manually delete the old files because I keep the different dll's in different folders where I can.  If bit bridge is trying to wrap it this is where I saw my issues. Also try downloading it from the Novation site they are showing an update to the program as of April 2013. The version there is 2.0. IHTH..

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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/09/30 15:43:51 (permalink)
    I won't hijack the thread but was interested in the X-Ray comment.  Sweetwater advised me to disable it, but I went against their advice.  I use it all the time with the T-Bar on the V-Studio and it is awesome to fade out a VI to look at a score, or to fade Melodyne to do some work without closing the plug in window.
     
     
    Edit: I went against their advice only after confirming that I could not correlate X-Ray off or on to any bug we were trying to resolve.

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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/09/30 16:01:46 (permalink)
    Made sure no other instances of Bass Station was in the VST folders....even made sure all the references were gone in the registry.  The file I downloaded from Focusrite is the same as the one on Novation website.  Novation, along with Ableton I think are owned by Focusrite.  So I have the latest install file.
     
    Maybe they can come up with a solution when I hear back from them.  I sent in a report.

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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/09/30 16:16:25 (permalink)
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    Well...I just tried again and uninstalled all of the Bass Station.  Then reinstalled JUST the 64 bit parts again.
     
    Even re-downloaded the install file from Focusrite website.
     
    Still doing the same thing.  I have some kind of conflict going on with the synth somehow.




    Strange,  I downloaded the synth and put it in demo mode and everything seems to be working fine on my end. I haven't experienced a crash yet. I even loaded it into SONAR X2 Producer and haven't had any issues.  Does it happen in brand new projects. Also, are you using any control surface apps?
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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/10/01 00:54:39 (permalink)
    Dan,
    I have tried adding the synth to current projects....and new projects both.  Same results either way.  I have no control surface apps.
     
    It's really strange.  When I add the synth to a project, it's seems to add fine.  I can even open up a PRV of the midi track created by the synth, add notes in the PRV and it will show activity on the meters on the midi track...of course the audio track is blank and there is no sound since there is no preset loaded (at least that is what I assume).
     
    But as soon as I double click on the synth icon to open up the GUI....I get the white screen and the pop-up box stating that Sonar has quit working.  I have never even gotten far enough for it to ask for activation (or demo mode).

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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/10/01 07:39:37 (permalink)
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    Dan,
    I have tried adding the synth to current projects....and new projects both.  Same results either way.  I have no control surface apps.
     
    It's really strange.  When I add the synth to a project, it's seems to add fine.  I can even open up a PRV of the midi track created by the synth, add notes in the PRV and it will show activity on the meters on the midi track...of course the audio track is blank and there is no sound since there is no preset loaded (at least that is what I assume).
     
    But as soon as I double click on the synth icon to open up the GUI....I get the white screen and the pop-up box stating that Sonar has quit working.  I have never even gotten far enough for it to ask for activation (or demo mode).




    hmm... There isn't a way to launch it as a standalone? A lot of my stuff needed to be opened standalone for registration. Maybe it's crashing Sonar because it's trying to register and getting confused.
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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/10/01 10:55:24 (permalink)
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    Dan,
    I have tried adding the synth to current projects....and new projects both.  Same results either way.  I have no control surface apps.
     
    It's really strange.  When I add the synth to a project, it's seems to add fine.  I can even open up a PRV of the midi track created by the synth, add notes in the PRV and it will show activity on the meters on the midi track...of course the audio track is blank and there is no sound since there is no preset loaded (at least that is what I assume).
     
    But as soon as I double click on the synth icon to open up the GUI....I get the white screen and the pop-up box stating that Sonar has quit working.  I have never even gotten far enough for it to ask for activation (or demo mode).




    Can you list for me all the MIDI drivers that you have installed on your system?  Also, what type of audio interface are you using? 
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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/10/01 14:24:55 (permalink)
    Beep,
    I don't know of a way to open it up stand alone....it is just dll files as far as I can tell.  I too am aware that some software does have to be authorized while running stand alone, but I don't think that is the case with Bass Station...there is no executable file for it.
     
    Dan,
    At the moment I am still using my Echo Mia stereo sound card.  I recently purchased a Focusrite 18i20 but I want to rewire my system to properly use it which I just haven't gotten around to doing yet.
     
    I have a MOTU MTP AV USB that drives my external keyboards.  I am not in the studio right now...but I will try turning off the MOTU so that the midi interface driver is not loaded and try running the Bass Station plugin.
     
    Thanks again for your continued support and help with this.  As of yet I haven't heard back from Novation.  I am curious as to what they say.

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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/10/01 14:29:38 (permalink)
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    Beep,
    I don't know of a way to open it up stand alone....it is just dll files as far as I can tell.  I too am aware that some software does have to be authorized while running stand alone, but I don't think that is the case with Bass Station...there is no executable file for it.
     
    Dan,
    At the moment I am still using my Echo Mia stereo sound card.  I recently purchased a Focusrite 18i20 but I want to rewire my system to properly use it which I just haven't gotten around to doing yet.
     
    I have a MOTU MTP AV USB that drives my external keyboards.  I am not in the studio right now...but I will try turning off the MOTU so that the midi interface driver is not loaded and try running the Bass Station plugin.
     
    Thanks again for your continued support and help with this.  As of yet I haven't heard back from Novation.  I am curious as to what they say.




    Cool, yes.  That would be my first guess. Trying to disable your MIDI hardware to see how SONAR reacts.  
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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/10/16 14:53:58 (permalink)
    I know this is an older thread that I started a few weeks ago....but I have been in contact with Novation support via email....and have tried several things which they suggested.
     
    I even downloaded and installed Reaper to see if the problem still happened....which it did.  It acted the same way as it does in Sonar X2 and X3....gets a white transparent screen and states that Sonar / Reaper has stopped working and will now close.
     
    I finally give up...since I have more than enough soft synths to do what I need to do.  Myself and maybe one other (via tech support) seems to be isolated incidental problems with Novation Bass Station 2.0 .
     
    I am more than happy to have received the Focusrite plugins for free as a bonus with my 18i20 interface....so not being able to use Bass Station is really not a problem.

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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/11/23 11:15:57 (permalink)
    Hey
     
    I got exactly the same problem. I can't get Bass station to run. I install 32 bit on Program file (x86) and 64 bit on Program files in the Cakewalk VST folders...
     
    I run Sonar Producer X3c on a Win 8.1 64 machine. I could Run Bass station on X1 64 bit without problem.. I love the synth so would really like to get this work...
     
    Any ideas?

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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/11/23 12:57:01 (permalink)
    Hey Eric,
    I have never found a solution to getting Bass Station to work on my system.  It doesn't work with X2 or X3.  I even (reluctantly) installed Reaper as per Novation support to see if it would run.  Did the same thing in Reaper.  Locked up the software (white screen) and said it (Reaper) would need to close...same thing that happens in Sonar.
     
    Do you by chance have an Nvidia video card?  I have the GTX 560 Ti .

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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/11/23 13:06:36 (permalink)
    I always "recycle" my computers in the fact that when I build a new DAW...I use my old DAW computer for internet and other stuff.  I just remembered that I still have X1 Producer on my "online" computer, which I am typing on now.
     
    I installed Bass Station on this machine and it loads right up in X1.  I didn't authorize it because I don't use this machine for DAW work anymore...but at least it did load without crashing Sonar X1.

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    Re: Novation Bass Station locks up X2 2013/11/25 11:29:19 (permalink)
    Hi Erik,
     
    This seems to be a system specific issue, as I know of several people running BassStation with Sonar X 1, 2, and 3 on Windows 7 and 8 systems.  This being said, in order to help resolve this, please submit a support request via this link:
     
    http://us.focusrite.com/answerbase/contact

    Matt Pliskin  //  Focusrite Technical Support
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