MarkBeauchene
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Setup Help Needed
I installed Sonar X1 Essentials on my new 6 core Athlon based PC running 64 bit Windows 7. It took me a little while to get the audio working, but when I did the timing was way off when I played anything. Way slow then it would catch up. Again and again. I selected ASIO as the driver mode in playing and recording, and it seemed pretty good. Suddenly about 6 weeks ago I started getting a message on startup that Master wasn't connected to an audio output device. I checked in setup, and no devices were shown. I changed from ASIO to one of the others and devices show up. Now the timing is the way it was, slow, then catch up, again and again. I tried ASIO and no output again. How do I fix this?
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Re: Setup Help Needed
November 25, 13 12:19 AM
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If you're using an onboard soundcard for output, you'll want to seriously consider getting a dedicated audio interface from a reputable manufacturer to get away from issues like this. Most onboard cards don't support ASIO without a 3rd-party driver like ASIO4ALL, and even when they can be made to work the performance is generally substandard. If you are using ASIO4ALL, it sounds like you might need to reinstall it. In fact, even if whatever interface you're using has native ASIO drivers, reinstalling or updating them might be the answer. If it's an external USB/Firewire device, make sure it's powered up and loading drivers in Device Manager on boot.
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Re: Setup Help Needed
November 25, 13 1:00 PM
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Re: Setup Help Needed
November 25, 13 1:09 PM
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What they both said... Also please list your sound card/audio interface or motherboard chip thingy.
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MarkBeauchene
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Re: Setup Help Needed
November 26, 13 6:04 PM
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I appreciate your input, but I don't think we are on the same frequency. When I say the timing was off I don't mean a millisecond here or there, I mean one quarter note taking many times the time of another. I only selected ASIO because it worked for a while. It can't be that hard to set up the audio output or no one would buy Sonar. I'll add the motherboard info tonight. I'll include more specifics tonight also. I have spent hours on this system and not produced one piece of music. HELP!!!
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Re: Setup Help Needed
November 26, 13 6:56 PM
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Again please list your sound card/audio interface. > It can't be that hard to set up the audio output or no one would buy Sonar. I think we are all on exactly the same frequency. As we've all said. You need a half decent sound interface. Let's see what you have.
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MarkBeauchene
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Re: Setup Help Needed
November 26, 13 10:43 PM
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My motherboard is: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 AM3+ AMD 760G + SB710 Motherboard - Micro ATX, Socket AM3+, AMD 760G + SB710 Chipset, 1333 MHz DDR3 (O.C.), 7.1-CH Audio, Gigabit LAN, USB 3.0, HDMI, CrossfireX Ready The onboard sound is: - Realtek ALC887 codec
- High Definition Audio
- 2/4/5.1/7.1-channel (Note 4)
- Support for S/PDIF Out
I really appreciate your patience. I would just love to make some music. I'd really rather not buy more stuff for this system.
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Re: Setup Help Needed
November 26, 13 11:14 PM
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Brundlefly's post above hit the nail on the head. - ASIO is exclusive, meaning that X1 cannot share it with Windows... so if Windows already has it, X1 cannot use it. (This is where your issue lies).
- ASIO4ALL is a program that allows X1 to "see ASIO" but is actually using WDM mode. People have had both good and bad experiences with this (I had a bad one myself). This is the next route to try.
- WDM mode (if available) is another.
Any other options may (and probably will) give you very high latencies. If you can get the above to work adequately for you, try those. Unfortunately the only "true solution" is to have a dedicated audio interface that *only* SONAR has access to in ASIO mode, using drivers for that specific hardware. As you appear to be new to this, exhaust your options above first, ask questions, and go from there.
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Re: Setup Help Needed
November 26, 13 11:29 PM
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Yup you need to research the purchase of a dedicated interface sorry. The good news is there are some great cheap ones around.. This may improve your performance a little but probably not enough: http://forum.cakewalk.com/Driver-Boost-m2928792.aspx ... And run windows update several times. Good luck with that ;)
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MarkBeauchene
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Re: Setup Help Needed
November 27, 13 10:32 AM
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You guys are great. Is it tied into all this that unless I use MME my midi playback timing is messed up? If your recommendation is to add an audio interface, can you suggest a couple? I have a Lexicon Alpha for input, too bad it doesn't have output too. I must have my setup so badly screwed up. I have a couple projects I can open and play through my midi module (Roland JV-1080). As soon as I try to change the bank or patch I can't get MIDI to the JV-1080 anymore. Should I reinstall Sonar and get a fresh start? THANK YOU!!!
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Re: Setup Help Needed
November 27, 13 11:25 AM
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MarkBeauchene I have a Lexicon Alpha for input, too bad it doesn't have output too.
Sure it does, "2x2": - 2 x TRS line inputs
- 2 x TRS & RCA line outs.
That's your solution: connect your monitoring to the Alpha's outputs, set driver mode to ASIO, select the alpha's drivers, and make sure the Playback and Record timing master are set to the Alpha's I/O.
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Re: Setup Help Needed
November 27, 13 11:38 AM
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Your realtek soundcard is for playback of different formats of digital audio a typical computer will deal with. 8 bit windows sounds, mp3s, CDs, various formats of web video. It does a good job for those. An audio/midi interface is for delivering high quality sound, both in and out under strict timing. Many times, video and multi-format sounds will mess them up. It is like taking a 60's muscle car to your kid's school through multiple school zones every frigging day. For home studios and simplicity, RME is probably the best interface. Good hardware, great drivers. But expensive. Farther down the list is Focusrite, who make everything from $100+ on up interfaces, and most people have no problems. Roland/Cakewalk interfaces are popular w/ SONAR users for obvious reasons, tho that may be changing. If I was picking up a cheap interface today I'd probably go w/ Focusrite just from word of mouth here and other places. If I was picking a more expensive interface I'd probably go w/ their Forte unit ($500), since I don't have need for too many inputs. Also let us know your budget. You can go as low as $100 and get a decent 2 X 2 interface. More money doesn't get you better drivers, usually, or converters, but more of them. A 2 X 4 is nice to have, if you route an output to hardware and still monitor. Also give an idea of how you make music - do you do singer/songwriter stuff, need to record a band, or mainly doing midi work. That will make a difference in a interface, too. @
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Re: Setup Help Needed
November 27, 13 11:41 AM
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Re: Setup Help Needed
November 27, 13 1:04 PM
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+1 to all of these guys. Another tip for you to relieve frustrations with Win7 (to make sure that Win7 leaves your Lexicon alone): - Check for the newest drivers on your Lexicon.
- Connect it and turn it on, but do not launch any programs.
- Hit the Windows "Start" button and type in "Sound" and select "Change sound card settings" from that list.
- Both the Lexicon and Realtek will appear in that pop-up box.
- Be sure that Realtek is "Set as Default" on both the "Playback" and "Recording" tabs. You are assigning Win7 "what it can use" here, so it will not nab the Lexicon on you.
Doing this will ensure that when the Lexicon is online, that Win7 will leave it be. Then when you launch X1, be sure the Lexicon is powered (and connects) before opening X1 each time. X1 can then freely use it in ASIO mode. Powering down, save and close X1 prior to powering off the Lexicon.
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MarkBeauchene
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Re: Setup Help Needed
November 27, 13 9:42 PM
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Thanks. I can't believe I forgot the Alpha has output. Now, if I could just get it to install... Mark
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Re: Setup Help Needed
December 01, 13 0:04 PM
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I'm still working on the install. Does anyone know - Can I take the audio output from the Alpha into a mixer then into the input of the alpha? Like if I wanted to mix down a couple midi tracks with a virtual synth from Sonar. Maybe a mike also.
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December 01, 13 5:51 AM
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Hmmm... I you "could" but also run the possibility of creating a feedback loop doing such, so I would not recommend this. Have you gotten your inputs/outputs working? If so, the best "next" step if to download the X1 Reference Guide and walk through the tutorials (they start on page 95). Once you get used to using X1, I think you will find that its mixing abilities will be more than adequate... you can modify and mix down tracks as you choose without the need to run an analog loop to do so... an analog loop will insert signal losses (or feedback loops), as well as require you to edit things "real time" each time. The beauty of a Digital Audio Workstation (DAW) is that you can mix/modify as fast as your computer will carry you.
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MarkBeauchene
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Re: Setup Help Needed
December 01, 13 9:45 PM
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I can't wait to use X1. I have been tied up for several days trying to got my Lexicon Alpha to install. I think myproblem was connecting it before the drivers were installed. Now the drivers install, but Windows doesn't seem to know to use them when I make the connection.
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Re: Setup Help Needed
December 01, 13 10:07 PM
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Okay... you installed the latest drivers, have the Lexicon Alpha plugged in to a USB port... If you hit the Windows "Start" button and type in "Sound" and select "Change sound card settings" from that list, you are saying the Lexicon Alpha is not listed when it has power?
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MarkBeauchene
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Re: Setup Help Needed
December 01, 13 11:26 PM
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Correct. when connecting the Alpha windows says it is installing an unknown device. The blue light on the front of the Alpha never comes on. I took it over to an old XP system and it installed, no problem.
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Re: Setup Help Needed
December 01, 13 11:27 PM
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You used the link in #13 right?
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