spacey
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First step
in building a guitar is getting the neck wood selected. No reason going any farther until that happens. What I do is build neck blocks because I prefer laminated necks. I think they're better all the way around. I like to have 42" and if over 2" thick it's good...not worrying about it coming up to thin for a neck through. Width...just as long as it's wide enough for the fretboard. If I decided to use it as a set-neck then the extra length isn't wasted- I make little boxes that have lids like fretboards. They're cute and make nice gifts. One of the deals is that you really don't know when you start a neck block if it's going to work out. Could waste a lot of money and have to make little gifts. A couple of things that can happen to send it in a tailspin...a bad glue-up- in that any glue can be seen. You clamp best you can if you don't have a hydraulic press and hope for the best. The other is that I build the neck block so it can be split yielding two necks. Wood has stored energy so you don't know what it might do when it's split. I have lost blocks that just went nuts after splitting. Not fun. I'm very happy because this last block that I've had setting for a couple of weeks has shown no sign of moving and it's also the first one that I've laminated with such thin pieces. I think they are going to be beautiful pieces so thought I'd share this very beginning stage with ya'll....something I don't remember ever doing out of all the builds. The only thing I'll do to them before starting the build is make sure the fretboard/body face is flat. When that is done I'll router for the truss-rod and then everything starts...I'll have a neck piece to see how far I can take it. Hope you enjoyed this. For one of the most important parts of the build it sure doesn't seem like much lol. They're Mahogany with Maple/Mahogany thins. 
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SteveStrummerUK
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Re: First step
2013/11/26 14:42:08
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I'm drooling already
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Re: First step
2013/11/26 14:55:27
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SteveStrummerUK I'm drooling already 
LOL...me too Steve! Now I have to design a guitar!
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Re: First step
2013/11/26 15:04:31
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Spacey do you maintain a particualr humidity when you're trying to see if the wood is going to change? If I ever attempt this I am counting on a few of those boxes you mentioned. I might get lucky but I doubt it. I figure if I anticipate a mistake and one doesn't happen I'll be ok. I think you've done this a few times before.
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Re: First step
2013/11/26 15:45:31
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Looks amazing already. Good luck with it, though I think you could easily market your cool little fret-box gifts!
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Re: First step
2013/11/26 16:27:16
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Oh Joy! Another thread to mark in my "favorites" folder. I love these build threads. I'm on my iPhone and can hardly wait to get home an see this on my 27" screen.
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Re: First step
2013/11/26 16:30:51
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It looks great already. I like the grain in the second shot. Good luck with this project.
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Re: First step
2013/11/26 16:48:43
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Star my shop is foamed lined from the floor up. Much like a fridge. 52% of lower and I'm good. It's not that way to see if the wood is going to warp or move- it's just that there is a humidity range that is preferred. Yes, I've built quite a few guitars in the last three years. The last three have had my pickups on them. I also wound a set for my first Strat type. Craig...lol...probably but that would take the fun out it for me...and much better than wasting the woods. Mike, sorry to tease if I did. It'll be awhile before I start a build. Since the wood didn't freak I'll still be sitting on it for many more weeks/months. I really thought it would be cool since I've posted builds to backup and show this very first step. Jan this is some excellent wood. It was purchased as hand picked guitar neck woods. Kiln dried 8% or lower...and thank you. I'll never turn me back on luck!
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Re: First step
2013/11/26 16:56:35
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Awesome. I dig when you post that kind of thing. :)
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Re: First step
2013/11/26 17:58:58
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That is really cool, Spacey. One of the most important steps I assume. I would love to see how you go about shaping the neck as well out of a block of solid wood.
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Re: First step
2013/11/26 19:00:03
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It's at that stage where it's not too late to think "lefty".
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Re: First step
2013/11/26 20:23:54
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Thanks Rain. I hope when I post that there's some enjoyment and maybe something of interest about how they make these things. Mike there are so many steps and each one has to be right but this is, to me, where it starts. Without the neck wood right there is just no reason to get carried away. At least now I know if I want a Mahogany neck guitar I can get started with the planning. When I get a project going I'll try to get detailed about how I carve them. Randy I just don't know what to say....but it was funny :)
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Re: First step
2013/11/26 20:53:07
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I'm just kidding you........for now.
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Re: First step
2013/11/27 13:41:58
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SteveStrummerUK I'm drooling already 
Me to
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Re: First step
2013/11/28 09:14:30
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This is not my picture but it is a shot of the type of truss-rod that I have but haven't used in a build. With every build I do something I haven't done before. Using this rod will be at least one new thing. Before anything else is done with the neck block it's a very good idea for one to know and prepare the exact placement. One can imagine that for a neck-through this would look much different. Using old style "single action" truss-rods IMO is just silly. There is no good reason to take the chance of not being able to make adjustments that may be needed. "Double action" will take that neck in either direction. Also IMO the single action truss rod that was adjusted at the heel (think old Fender) and the neck had to be removed to adjust...the worst style I can imagine...and I have guitars with them. If all goes well it may turn out to be my favorite type rod. It will make for a very clean head and still be easy to adjust, in either direction.
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Re: First step
2013/11/28 10:08:20
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Thanks for the info Spacey. I know the Steinway pianos at work need to have I think High 30s to 40% minimal humidity. Just big string instruments even though nothing like the ones you build. I'm glad you got the shop all together and are making good use of it. I remembered your mentioning applying the foam in another post awhile back.Glad it works well for you. I'm standing on the cliff looking down and in my mind it's like a 100 ft. drop. In reality though it's probably more like a 10 ft. drop. I know I'm going to take the leap eventually and attempt to build my own guitar. Not because someone else did or to prove anything e. I think it would be educational and a lot of fun and rewarding. It might take me a few tries to get it right.I don't really plan on building anything to sell. Do you have any advice for a newbie who has experience with the most common wood tools? I have used routers but not on anything as intensive as a guitar build. In my case I'll be using my garage so I guess I would need to move the wood somewhere else in between. Humidity here today is probably on the low 30s outside and even less inside. Warmer days higher humidity. Do you recommend any books on building? I really wanted to build a neck through but that might be too much for a newbie to bite off. Goofing up a neck through in the last stages would be devastating. At least with a bolt on I could salvage a body on a guitar with a neck I cut wrong.Most of the prints I have seen are one page deals. Don't mean to derail your post. Nice job so far.I don't think I could live without a truss rod on a guitar but I guess there have been a few made without.
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Re: First step
2013/11/28 11:24:39
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You're not derailing anything Star. The reason your questions are hard to answer is because there are so many ways to do each little step.
What I did was gather any and all the information I could for a half year or more. I mean I was not messing around about either. I knew I had to have my head together with the best attempt I could make because I knew if I did it I would be investing at or over $20,000.00 dollars. When I could build the guitar in my head I invested enough to build one on my patio. It fortunately turned out better than any Strat I own...and I own a lot of them. So I took the plunge and it wasn't to make money...it was to do something I wanted to do and hopeful be able to enjoy doing it for as long as I care to. I also had to clean the slate for all other hobbies because I knew it would take ALL my free time. Lucky in a way that the X series hit and wouldn't work for me...cleared that time anyway. When I found a process that made sense to me for each step I studied about the tools needed to perform it. A technique that "felt" like one I could manage. Those are things that another can't answer for you. So if you dive off that cliff...maybe best if it's all your doing. That method worked alright with me.
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Re: First step
2013/11/28 15:13:25
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Starise Do you have any advice for a newbie who has experience with the most common wood tools?
Try to keep your fingers away from the sharp, moving parts?
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Re: First step
2013/11/30 11:41:53
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Starise Do you have any advice for a newbie who has experience with the most common wood tools?
Try to keep your fingers away from the sharp, moving parts? 
That's good advice Craig. With that thought I think we should include; Avoid riding motorcycles - don't put yourself inside moving vehicles on or off highways - ....just watch that show (if it still airs) 1001 ways to die for your list. LOL. Get a computer and one of these and watch all the things you may have interests in...and a phone so you can have your meals delivered and live safely ever after. :) ...and hope the food and air supply is....well Star, I'm not sure there is good advice to be found because if we're not getting out of this alive and can't take anything with us...what's it all about or worth anyway? LOL
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Re: First step
2013/11/30 11:51:07
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craigb
Starise Do you have any advice for a newbie who has experience with the most common wood tools?
Try to keep your fingers away from the sharp, moving parts? 
That's good advice Craig. With that thought I think we should include; Avoid riding motorcycles - don't put yourself inside moving vehicles on or off highways - ....just watch that show (if it still airs) 1001 ways to die for your list. LOL. Get a computer and one of these and watch all the things you may have interests in...and a phone so you can have your meals delivered and live safely ever after. :) ...and hope the food and air supply is....well Star, I'm not sure there is good advice to be found because if we're not getting out of this alive and can't take anything with us...what's it all about or worth anyway? LOL
In other words--don't get out of bed. That won't work either, because you'll get blood clots and die from a heart attack, pulmonary embolism, or a stroke. Eventually, something's going to get you no matter what you do.
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Re: First step
2013/11/30 17:02:58
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Old55
Eventually, something's going to get you no matter what you do.
That's the tuff part. No doubt there are many risks and Craig makes a great point in that safety is paramount...that's with everything. It seems that when things go south they are strange happenings too. Safety guys say all accidents are preventable but man, living is just risky business.
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Re: First step
2013/11/30 20:06:05
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spacey ... but man, living is just risky business.
No kidding. We've had to deal with Tom Cruise ever since!
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Re: First step
2013/12/01 11:02:08
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SteveStrummerUK I'm drooling already 
LOL...me too Steve! Now I have to design a guitar!
How a bout a Short Scale bass for me. I don't have a million to spare, but I would donate a couple of hundred! Small hands that barely make it across the whole thing! I'm a midget!
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Re: First step
2013/12/01 11:16:46
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SteveStrummerUK I'm drooling already 
LOL...me too Steve! Now I have to design a guitar!
How a bout a Short Scale bass for me. I don't have a million to spare, but I would donate a couple of hundred! Small hands that barely make it across the whole thing! I'm a midget!
Mosh I appreciate the offer. I'm am sorry that I can't help you....and it's not because you're a midget! I'm to busy and I have to inform you that unlike some luthiers and brand names that I will leave alone- I can't build for...well I can't buy the material to build for a couple of hundred. When I did build the only bass I've made I cringed when I bought the strings. (lol) I do recommend you try out the Fender Geddy Lee bass. I know it's not a short scale but try it. Oh...it's more than a few hundred but worth every penny IMO. I don't believe it was designed for midgets but you could rest the body in a chair and tear up that neck.
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Re: First step
2013/12/01 11:47:40
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The neck alone on my custom that Space Cowboy now owns costs almost $900...
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Re: First step
2013/12/05 14:03:13
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How's the neck coming along? Thanks Spacey, I can see your point about there being so many different ways to do something. I have looked at a few sets of prints that basically are just measurements and dimensions on paper which is all very helpful to have. I went to one site and when I looked at the customer pics of some of the projects I decided to pass on that particular site. I looked over a few how to books. One of the better ones is written by a UK author. Not a bad thing necessarily but many of the materials referred to are either not available here in the states or are given different names. Some of the jargon seems like it might be confusing to a guy who has never been across the pond. I still might buy the book and a few others to get a better grasp of what has to happen, so I'm just in the gandering stages at this point. I figure I can unload the dud guitars on pop bands who lip sync and need guitar props;) Man it is really easy to get hurt with tools. I once knew a guy who had an unfortunate run in with a circular saw. He was missing the tips of three of his fingers. That would really suck for guitar playing. He used to kid about it and put a nub in his nose so it looked like he had a lot of finger up his nose.Knew another guy who had his hand on an air compressor belt when the compressor decided to start up. He lost half a finger...things like that make me really careful.
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Re: First step
2013/12/05 14:55:30
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I have very few books and they are about pickups or making pickups. I have even more about recording, mixing, midi...etc...lot of good they did me. I could have had an Epiphone! I don't have step by step instruction books about building guitars so I'm sorry I can't help you with that. I could write one but I'd have to have somebody that wasn't a spacey do it for it to make sense. Maybe Jonbuoy and Steve will come visit me...we'll build a guitar, Steve can do the photos and Jon and him can put it all down. Now I'd buy that book! Yeah...I don't really care to share bloody stories so "be safe" is good enough for me, to take or give. And to answer your question...the neck blocks are still just sitting there and still haven't moved. I think they are going to be necks some day. I've been busy recording but I have been kicking around what type of guitar I'd like to build. I'm still liking "steampunk" ...I think it's because I saw a new show, "naked vegas"...wow, purty ladies painted naked and steampunked. :) Hard to beat that. Hey! This might be something you're interested in. I don't know anything about that stuff though.
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