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2013/11/30 18:53:13 (permalink)

Gibson's 2014 line up...

Looks good.
http://www2.gibson.com/Gibson-USA-2014.aspx#Lineup
 
The SG 70s Tribute - which was second on my list - looks even more amazing. If I can get a work permit and a few gigs... This one looks pretty much exactly like the first SG I really dug. The mini hum buckers are a nice touch.

 
The SGJ will be back in 2014, with a few difference. Prices also seems to have permanently been marked down. The burst options are better - had the below been available, it would have been a no-brainer - but overall, I prefer the 2013 and it's black tuners, black pickups covers and nut, etc... 

 
The only description I've found mentioned a slim SG neck, whereas the 2013 had a rounded 50's neck. But then again, I've seen so many contradictory statements even in regards to the 2013... I guess we'll have to wait and see. 
post edited by Rain - 2013/11/30 18:56:54

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    Re: Gibson's 2014 line up... 2013/11/30 19:27:12 (permalink)
    I have noticed lately that Gibson is turning out some pretty descent guitars for $1,000 or less. I have plucked several of them off the wall at GC and given them a test run.

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    Re: Gibson's 2014 line up... 2013/11/30 19:46:55 (permalink)
    The MSRP price on the SGJ went down quite a bit.
     
     
    The Gibson site itself lists it at $499 - which is $100 lower than the average in store price for the 2013 SGJ before the year end sale. On Gibson's site, the 2013 is now listed at $599 - I seem to recall higher than this.
     
    I'm wondering where they might have cut to bring that price down. The only major difference I see is the new pickups. The 2013 had a 490R and 498T, whereas the 2014 has "New Zebra Humbuckers"...
     
    I'm wondering for how much they'll go, in store. $399? That would be practically the same as Epiphones...
     
    Me I'm glad that they offer such bare bone instruments. I'm very happy with mine - much more than I expected. I can feel that maybe the frets could have used a bit more TLC, but nothing dramatic, and other than that, it's actually very nice.
     
    That satin finish isn't for everybody though. For me, it's actually a plus on that specific guitar.
     
    If I compare it to my Epiphones... Well, I love my Epi, but you can tell that some corner were cut short. The "binding" on my Les Paul Traditional is an exemple of that. So is the switch. The pick ups are pretty impressive though... 
     
    Epi SG vs Gibson's SGJ, I couldn't tell. I've tried quite a bunch of Epi SG last summer because I really wanted to like one but it never happened. Until a few months back when I did try one with the bigger neck - that one I dug. 
     
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    Re: Gibson's 2014 line up... 2013/12/01 11:14:41 (permalink)
    Hi,
     
    Interesting to see "Gibson", finally doing a few more Basses, and it probably shows that the Epi versions are not selling at all!
     
    I have the Epi EB3 and I'm not enthused by it, and have not been able to get that thing to sing at all. I'm likely to spend on one of their other basses, the short scale one by Gibson to see if I can get going again.
     
    However, I'm wanting to get a Fender a bit more than the Gibson. Have not made the decision either way, but I do miss DEARLY my original EB-0 that had the knobs the other way, which I still think is better for the strings and the vibrations, which made the instrument better.
     
     

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    Re: Gibson's 2014 line up... 2013/12/01 12:20:02 (permalink)
    Moshkiae
    I have the Epi EB3 and I'm not enthused by it, and have not been able to get that thing to sing at all. 



    It's a bass. It don't sing. It mostly booms.
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    Re: Gibson's 2014 line up... 2013/12/01 12:41:25 (permalink)
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    I have the Epi EB3 and I'm not enthused by it, and have not been able to get that thing to sing at all. 



    It's a bass. It don't sing. It mostly booms.



    Sounds fishy...

     
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    Re: Gibson's 2014 line up... 2013/12/01 13:12:34 (permalink)
     
    I've always fancied me one of them Thunderbird basses.

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    Re: Gibson's 2014 line up... 2013/12/02 09:58:16 (permalink)
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    I've always fancied me one of them Thunderbird basses.



    Never played on one. The look is not for me. Makes me feel like one of those metal'ists, and I'm not really one of those, although I would want to take a Brittany Spears song and rip it with the metal riffs, see? Bad boy thing is fun!

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    Re: Gibson's 2014 line up... 2013/12/02 17:03:25 (permalink)
    I've always wanted a Thunderbird too. Though in my mind, it's not associated w/ metal but w/ The Cure' Simon Gallup.
     
    Closest to a metal bass player w/ a Thunderbird I can think of would probably be Nikki Sixx of Mötley Crüe.
     
    I never was familiar w/ other Gibson basses, besides those SG type. But I've recently discovered this beauty and I'd love to try one. 
     


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    Re: Gibson's 2014 line up... 2013/12/02 18:41:06 (permalink)
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    I've always wanted a Thunderbird too. Though in my mind, it's not associated w/ metal but w/ The Cure' Simon Gallup.
     
    Closest to a metal bass player w/ a Thunderbird I can think of would probably be Nikki Sixx of Mötley Crüe.
     



    Nibbs Carter of Saxon plays a Thunderbird as his main bass:
     

     
    And it sounds totally metal in his hands!
     
     

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    Re: Gibson's 2014 line up... 2013/12/02 18:51:36 (permalink)
    Rain... are you working for Gibson now... I AM JUST KIDDING... keep up with the posting. You have me seriously considering the purchase of an SG and it would do me much good to get a new guitar... and a new amp,, and another guitar. I'm also thinking about getting one of the new Blues Jr III amps with a greenback. If I don't like it, I have a Texas Heat I can stick in there or maybe a governor... or a Wizard. Maybe a G12H Heritage, I think those amps are capable of some great tones with the right speaker and EQ.
     
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    Re: Gibson's 2014 line up... 2013/12/02 19:38:29 (permalink)
    Not to derail the thread, but if you get a Blues Jr you should check out Bill M audio. Bill's made a career out of providing great mods and parts for that amp.

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    Re: Gibson's 2014 line up... 2013/12/03 15:22:36 (permalink)
    Seems more like the price is still going up though.
     
    New colors and all. Still have 2013 models yet to sell.
    Oh, well, such is the state of .....................being.
     

     
     
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    Re: Gibson's 2014 line up... 2013/12/03 16:05:42 (permalink)
    spacealf
    Seems more like the price is still going up though.
     
    New colors and all. Still have 2013 models yet to sell.
    Oh, well, such is the state of .....................being.
     


     
    I'm not sure for the other models, but for the LPJ, it is the same as last year ($699) and for the SGJ, I can confirm that the price went down, as they now go for $499 - what I paid for mine after the end of year $100 price drop last month.
     
    Upon further reading on Sweetwater's site, I see that they seem to have changed the finish from low gloss satin to nitrocellulose lacquer - which could potentially be better for the instrument. As of last  night, I'm already starting to see tiny bits of wood through the finish on mine, from normal wear. (I don't mind, it'll probably look awesome. Plus, some people pay to have relics...)
     
    Julien - I wish! If only to finance the purchase of more guitars. ;)
     
     
     
     

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    Re: Gibson's 2014 line up... 2013/12/03 16:14:00 (permalink)
    I wonder what I should do with my 1981 Gibson Sonex 180 Deluxe..haven't played it in 10 years.
     
    Play it, probably...
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    Re: Gibson's 2014 line up... 2013/12/03 17:33:32 (permalink)
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    I wonder what I should do with my 1981 Gibson Sonex 180 Deluxe..haven't played it in 10 years.
     
    Play it, probably...



    *Sheesh!*  How unimaginative James!
     


     
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    Re: Gibson's 2014 line up... 2013/12/04 08:55:01 (permalink)
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    I have the Epi EB3 and I'm not enthused by it, and have not been able to get that thing to sing at all. 



    It's a bass. It don't sing. It mostly booms.



    Sounds fishy...



    You already know this, that having the right instrument in your hands helps you learn more than otherwise. It just feels better and right. This Epiphone version has no "soul" like the EB-0 did, and I miss it! I'm wanting, and not wanting to get their new bass, which is now called SG, Special or Standard, but I doubt they have the personality and feel of the original. Even in the picture they look processed and like a copy! Not very original and already feels like left over wood!

    As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys! 
      
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    Re: Gibson's 2014 line up... 2013/12/04 08:57:49 (permalink)
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     I never was familiar w/ other Gibson basses, besides those SG type. But I've recently discovered this beauty and I'd love to try one. 
     




    Sorry ... Motley BS and like stuff is not on my agenda! I was there at the time, and most of it was about the loudness and the hit, not the music!
     
    By that time I was already heavy duty into the European stuff that made a lot better sense than some of the other commercial noise!
     
    But yeah ... that one looks rather neat and I'm already planning on visiting Apple Music here in Portland next week.
     
    Came close to gettting the Special SG Bass from Sweetwater, because they were offering a hard case with it, and Musicians Friend were offering a lousy, cheap Gig bag! I would want a case to go with it. But if you have 2k to spare, I still would like one of those Stratus-Graphite headless basses and this time the 5 string!
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    Re: Gibson's 2014 line up... 2013/12/05 11:37:58 (permalink)
    Rain,
     
    I checked the Gibson site.  Some really nice lower dollar instruments planned for 2014.  Info is still pretty sketchy, but they have the price points listed.

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    Re: Gibson's 2014 line up... 2013/12/05 13:43:07 (permalink)
    what i have found, over the last 10 years, 
    is that ANY gibson i've played, with the only exception being a VOS 58 gold top, and a very well setup Alex Lifeson Axcess, 
    was ultimately slayed by my old Carvin.
     

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    Re: Gibson's 2014 line up... 2013/12/05 15:53:30 (permalink)
    I like the California Carve Tops (PRS Copies), very nice guitars.  I would n't hesitate to buy one at all.  I have owned several Carvin guitars and amps.  My first was a 50w all tube back in 1983.  I don't remember the model number, but it was basically a Marshall copy.
     
    Rain, I stopped by Guitar Center for lunch and I saw several SG's that looked very similar to yours.  I did n't have a chance to play one, because I spotted several Gibby LP's  that were in the $599- 999 range.  I ran through them on a Fender Super Sonic amp.  I really like one in particular, a P90 soap bar Gold Top that was listed at $699.  I was pleasantly surprised by the workmanship on it and play-ability.  It was not at the same caliber as a Standard, or a Lifeson Axcess, but it seemed like a descent player for $699.  I was going to try the SG's and play around with some of the mid priced Strats, but I just flat ran out of time.

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    Re: Gibson's 2014 line up... 2013/12/05 16:35:36 (permalink)
    The thing with this one in its 2013 incarnation is that it has the rounded 50s neck, which I personally prefer, but which many SG player don't like as much as slimmer necks. And Gibson seem to have gone back to slim neck for 2014.
     
    And as much as I love the Les Paul model, and as I said before, even if I think they're the most gorgeous guitars, it's become hard to switch back from the SG to one of my Les Paul's. It's hard to explain, but playing that SG makes me feel like everything has been taken out of the way, all the stops have been removed - I'm just blasting my way on that thing like I never have.
     
    So I may have painted myself in a corner there, in terms of future guitar purchase. Even if I wanted to buy another SG, the features which make this one so good to me just aren't standard, and hard to find, even if budget was not an issue. And it obviously is.
     
    But who knows? Maybe now that I've made the transition it'll be easier for me to find SGs that I like.
     
    BTW, one thing I notice is that the bridge parts seem to be made of a different alloy because, even if the chrome finish on the stud has vanished, the part did not change colour - it's still silver, unlike my Epiphones, which systematically end up looking like below.
     
    I'm also including a (poor quality) close shot of the finish below the pick up where my hand is constantly rubbing against it, so that you see what I mean by seeing the wood through the finish. That's 2 weeks worth of playing - I can play the strings aggressively at time, but the aggression is restricted to the strings only. IOW, the guitar itself was treated very gently.
     

     
    Bridges - Gibson vs Epi. See that copper coloured alloy which shows up once the shiny finish has gone on the Epi. I can't tell for the bridge itself because so far it's fine, but the stud on the SG seems to have no intention of turning copper.
     

     

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    Re: Gibson's 2014 line up... 2013/12/05 16:54:47 (permalink)
    Before you can chrome plate a part it has to be plated with copper or nickel as a base to endure it sticks. The reason it shows up on your Epi is likely just very thin chrome over a copper base. If your sweat is acidic, it will take the chrome off fast.
     
    I had a LP custom in '78 and it was horrible. They didn't use a base plating on the alloy so the gold plating just flaked off leaving a flat grey metal behind. That, combined with a weight near 13 pounds made it a candidate for worst guitar ever. Gibson was real bad in the 70's.

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    Re: Gibson's 2014 line up... 2013/12/05 17:00:21 (permalink)
    At last, an actual explanation. :) Thanks, John!
     
    I've always wondered why all those old guitars still looked awesome, the parts were simply not shinny anymore IMHO, they'd look gorgeous, nonetheless.
     
    I couldn't imagine that a guitar that had been played for 30 years or more would not have eventually ended looking like mine did after a few weeks or months. On my black LP with the chrome pick up covers, it's even worst.

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