Tempo Sync not working with Loop Libraries with Kontakt and Sonar 3

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2013/12/05 18:36:04 (permalink)

Tempo Sync not working with Loop Libraries with Kontakt and Sonar 3

Hey Fellas, 
 
I have a problem with about 4-5 synth loop libraries (REV, Albion, Aeon) that do not sync tempo information correctly.  
I've talked with the manufacturers and they haven't had any report problems and it seems like it has to be something with Sonar X3.
The loops played in Kontakt work at first, but when you close the project and open it again, it's messed up and not synced.  
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    Re: Tempo Sync not working with Loop Libraries with Kontakt and Sonar 3 2013/12/05 19:02:45 (permalink)
    (Crap this is in the wrong forum....sorry...Mods can you move?)
     
     
    Hey E,
     
    Wish I knew the answer...  I just noticed that too while writing with tempo based loops....  Damage seems to work fine...hmmm
     
    It might have something to do with Sonar since I have friends (Cubase +Mac) that don't have any issues.    For a work around I have started to print the loops...  Totally sucks.   Trying to narrow down what it could be and Sonar is the weak link so far.   Going to check on my home rig tonight.


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    Re: Tempo Sync not working with Loop Libraries with Kontakt and Sonar 3 2013/12/09 20:02:01 (permalink)
    Just got Aeon yesturday : no go , i'm **** mad since i had other stuff to buy ..sent an email to support but don't expect that mutch ....
     
    I also ordered the K9U but if i have those issues ...i cancel the thing cause i bought K9 for Heavyocity and action string that use step sequencer in kontakt witch seems to be the culprit !!
     
    By the way i was about to get albion 3  also !! 
     
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    Re: Tempo Sync not working with Loop Libraries with Kontakt and Sonar 3 2013/12/09 22:47:10 (permalink)
    I have Komplete 9. If you can give me precise and exact steps I can test this (I have just bought the product so just assume I'm some idiot who doesn't know what to do (shouldn't be too hard )).
     
    If this is an issue I am keen to log this as a bug with whoever is responsible. Maybe all of us could.

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    Re: Tempo Sync not working with Loop Libraries with Kontakt and Sonar 3 2013/12/09 23:11:23 (permalink)
    just tried west africa , wehn i put sync to host (host = 90 bpm) hte sync value gives me =89.99 lol ...Sonar and Kontakt sync no go .....i forgot why i don't mess with NI samples libraires now i remeber !!! K9 U + Aeon for nothing , i should have gone East west and basta !

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    Re: Tempo Sync not working with Loop Libraries with Kontakt and Sonar 3 2013/12/09 23:13:41 (permalink)
    Cake juste use some withe a step sequencer or loops (not sliced , a played sequenced of sound if you know what i mean ) try Session string = obvious in perferomce mode ...when i freeze  the clip is not starting on bars straigt i have to move it with magnetism to get it on start point (bar)
     

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    Re: Tempo Sync not working with Loop Libraries with Kontakt and Sonar 3 2013/12/09 23:44:11 (permalink)
    Hi Zo,
    Hm...the Kontakt stuff seems to work OK here. I pulled up West Africa and Session Strings. West Africa reports tempo OK and seems to sync, and Sessions Strings with the Animator turned on syncs fine and freezes fine.
     
    Sorry I'm not much help with fixing it for you, but if there's something else you'd like me to try and replicate I'd be happy to give it a shot.
     
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    Re: Tempo Sync not working with Loop Libraries with Kontakt and Sonar 3 2013/12/09 23:53:20 (permalink)
    gimme you metronome set up if ya can .....are you sure it's not a littel of sync (really a little ) ...?
     
    oh yeah play a loop (in sonar) and try with a mutimbrale in konatk t (several sequenced isntruements stress it a little)
     
    thks ;)

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    Re: Tempo Sync not working with Loop Libraries with Kontakt and Sonar 3 2013/12/09 23:55:46 (permalink)
    Zo
    just tried west africa , wehn i put sync to host (host = 90 bpm) hte sync value gives me =89.99 lol ...Sonar and Kontakt sync no go .....i forgot why i don't mess with NI samples libraires now i remeber !!! K9 U + Aeon for nothing , i should have gone East west and basta !


    Well...I just loaded West Africa and chose 2 -Percussion Ensemble 16, Den Haben Dunun.nki. I then selected "Host" for Trigger and turned on Sync. When I click Play in Sonar, the loop starts and repeats perfectly...I listened for several minutes until I got bored. Also, if you click in Sonar in a place that would be the middle of a pattern, playback starts from the middle of the pattern.
     
    What am I doing differently that you're not doing? It works perfectly here.

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    Re: Tempo Sync not working with Loop Libraries with Kontakt and Sonar 3 2013/12/10 00:00:39 (permalink)
    well west africa isn't the big problem since it's loaded with swing , thks Greg , could you try with session strings for exemple ?
     
    by the way i tried every buffer size , and freq (44 -96khz) ..i had great result when using only one instruments in one instance of contact ...if i go mutli or several instances of kontakt things getting dirty ...or random after each loop cycle
     

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    Re: Tempo Sync not working with Loop Libraries with Kontakt and Sonar 3 2013/12/10 02:55:25 (permalink)
    Zo
    well west africa isn't the big problem since it's loaded with swing , thks Greg , could you try with session strings for exemple ?
     
    by the way i tried every buffer size , and freq (44 -96khz) ..i had great result when using only one instruments in one instance of contact ...if i go mutli or several instances of kontakt things getting dirty ...or random after each loop cycle
     


    I've used Action Strings and other Kontakt stuff that syncs to tempo...never a problem. But, I rarely use more than five instances or so; Kontakt demands a lot of resources.
     
    If it's a question of computer horsepower, maybe you should just lay down a track and freeze it before doing the next track? And save the MIDI file and preset if you need to edit it later?
     
    This sounds like an exaggerated version of trying to record tracks to a flash drive...at some point the drive just can't write fast enough, and the tempo goes to hell. Maybe try streaming from flash (which reads fast) instead of hard drive?

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    Re: Tempo Sync not working with Loop Libraries with Kontakt and Sonar 3 2013/12/10 08:56:00 (permalink)
    i will try from SSD  but i doubt it's that since the patch are like few mbs and my WD has some great buffer and the HDD charge in sonar is like 0.5% lol 
     
    Anyway could sombody post a sceen shot to its otpion in preferences in synchronisation and metronome ect for me to replicate a setiup of a working system ....
     
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    Re: Tempo Sync not working with Loop Libraries with Kontakt and Sonar 3 2013/12/10 09:04:31 (permalink)
    So now you want exact steps ;) Hahaha! :) Guess I'm out of my depth on this one...

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    Re: Tempo Sync not working with Loop Libraries with Kontakt and Sonar 3 2013/12/10 10:11:13 (permalink)
    Hi Zo,
    I'll try and get a screenshots in a bit but I've been trying to break this this morning and haven't been able to, with one minor exception. I did get K5 to report it's tempo being .01 BPM off....that is, Sonar is set to (e.g.) 90 BPM and K5 reports 89.99. That said, I don't hear any sync problems and I'm running 3 instances of West Africa, 1 Action strings and one Damage. The loops and phrases seem to line up OK here.
     
    I'll see if I can get screenshots later...
     
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    Re: Tempo Sync not working with Loop Libraries with Kontakt and Sonar 3 2013/12/10 13:02:13 (permalink)
    ok let me post some videos .....

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    Re: Tempo Sync not working with Loop Libraries with Kontakt and Sonar 3 2013/12/10 17:13:49 (permalink)
    I've played with Action Strings, Funk Guitarist, Damage and Evolve so far and not had a problem. Would be interested to know if this is reproduceable and under which circumstances.
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    Re: Tempo Sync not working with Loop Libraries with Kontakt and Sonar 3 2013/12/10 17:54:34 (permalink)
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