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Tracks to busses solo's - this is a major oversight.
Never noticed before but I now see that whenever tracks are assigned to busses (eg: 3 guitar tracks and a tape delay emulation buss assigned to another buss named "GUITARS"), if I solo the guitar tracks, say 1 at the time, the assigned buss is not automatically soloed also.
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Re: Tracks to busses solo's - this is a major oversight.
2013/12/09 07:36:32
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I like it the way it is and would not support a change to soloing busses when you enable a Track solo. If you want to hear whatever feeds into the buss, just solo the buss by itself.
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Re: Tracks to busses solo's - this is a major oversight.
2013/12/09 07:37:02
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I like it the way it is and would not support a change to soloing busses when you enable a Track solo. If you want to hear whatever feeds into the buss, just solo the buss by itself.
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Re: Tracks to busses solo's - this is a major oversight.
2013/12/09 20:24:42
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It works the way most of us would expect it to work - this is a major undersight!
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Re: Tracks to busses solo's - this is a major oversight.
2013/12/09 20:25:21
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Ok, I'll bite. Would you please explain your logic ? If you do as I do and feed say 5 harmony tracks, a chorus on a buss , a harmony reverb on a buss all fed to a Harmony buss, why on earth would you like going to all the trouble of, if you just want to hear a solo of harmony 1 by . . . soloing harmony track 1, soloing harmony chorus, soloing harmony reverb AND soloing the HARMONY buss - just hear a solo harmony track 1 and it's effects ??? And if you have say 45 tracks going, it's get kinda confusing finding the soloed tracks and busses. But I guess I'm just old and stupid.
post edited by pianodano - 2013/12/09 20:28:11
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Re: Tracks to busses solo's - this is a major oversight.
2013/12/10 23:36:02
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We used to be paid by the hour to press all those buttons, that's the only change I see happening. I am happy that the software works pretty close to the way a large mixing desk and a room full of tape machines worked. Just the musicians are all in little icons now instead of breathing down your neck bumming smokes....
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Re: Tracks to busses solo's - this is a major oversight.
2013/12/11 02:16:09
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pianodano Ok, I'll bite. Would you please explain your logic ?
I'll bite back with the same question. Why would you need to solo the buses? Buses not in the direct output path don't get excluded from the output when you solo a track so you're not going to lose the contribution of send FX. And there's no need to solo the related buses to exclude unrelated ones because buses fed by tracks that aren't soloed will be silent (with the possible exception of noise producing plugins). So what's the concern? I think you've never noticed because there's nothing to notice. It all works as expected without the redundant soloing of buses.
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Re: Tracks to busses solo's - this is a major oversight.
2013/12/11 07:29:31
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Brundley, The tracks are outputted to busses - In this case either guitar or harmony busses. If the busses are not soloed along with the track and send busses, there is nothing to hear.
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Re: Tracks to busses solo's - this is a major oversight.
2013/12/11 07:56:22
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There is something wrong with your system. Soloing an individual track here means I hear that track and that track only, along with whatever contribution is made by any sends to other busses. Those busses are also audible.
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Re: Tracks to busses solo's - this is a major oversight.
2013/12/11 08:10:02
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I really don't think anyone has read the posts. How can there be something wrong with my system when you guys say it works exactly as you like it. It does not work as you think it does. Solo a track and the send busses go silent along with the output busses the track is assigned to. That's it.
post edited by pianodano - 2013/12/11 08:12:08
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Re: Tracks to busses solo's - this is a major oversight.
2013/12/11 10:55:26
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And I'm saying, soloing a track here does not mute the send busses, nor the output busses the track is assigned to. It would appear that my system is working as it should, therefore, something is wrong with yours if you are seeing something completely different happening. If I solo a guitar track which has a send to both a delay and a reverb bus, I will hear a mix of guitar/delay/reverb without touching another control If I just want to hear the guitar + delay, I mute the reverb bus. If I just want to hear the reveb contribution, solo the reverb bus. This will of course pick up any other track that has a send to the reverb buss unless I also solo the guitar track I think that's how it's supposed to work - it's been this way since at least Sonar 6PE and I've never questioned he functionality. If you're trying to do something different, it's not apparent from your posts so a little more clarification would help
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Re: Tracks to busses solo's - this is a major oversight.
2013/12/12 18:31:01
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Ten to one you guys are using the Sonar master for output to whatever you output to, if at all as it seems most people today are probably exporting. We DO NOT. We send stems to the 16 channel Lynx Aurora. Most projects have very high track counts. A short routing example, Outboard console stereo channels 1&2 - All drum tracks are always summed to these channels BUT are fed first into a Sonar DRUM buss. The individual drum tracks have sends fed to a convolution reverb DRUM VERB BUSS which in turn is also outputted to the DRUMS buss in Sonar. We do this because a great old compressor lives on these mixing console channels AND it give us the chance to do final eq touchup using the console. Outboard console stereo channels 3&4 - All guitar tracks are always BUSSED to a GUITAR BUSS in Sonar. That BUSS feeds directly into Lynx channels 3&4. This BUSS will also usually have other GUITAR EFFECTS BUSSES fed from the Sonar GUITAR tracks auxes feeding into it. Lead vocal always is on track 5 and is fed to Lynx channel 5 which is in turn fed to mixing console channel 5. And so on. We do a variation on mixing in the box and get the best of both worlds by using stems. If you run the system as outlined above you might find Sonar works differently than you think. FWIW, we never use the Sonar master buss, that is, the default buss that Sonar inserts for anything and consider it totally useless when using a outboard mixing console and large number of convertor channels available. The 2 channels on the Sonar default master won't do the job for us.
post edited by pianodano - 2013/12/12 18:33:06
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Re: Tracks to busses solo's - this is a major oversight.
2013/12/13 15:52:37
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I don't see how having multiple outs or not using a master bus would cause soloed track sends to be muted.
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Re: Tracks to busses solo's - this is a major oversight.
2013/12/13 17:47:24
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That's what I was thinking Kev. Please don't talk about the cricket.
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Re: Tracks to busses solo's - this is a major oversight.
2013/12/13 17:55:40
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About time you pommies got taught a thing or two about cricket. I am loving it at the moment. We are just better and that is that! Watch as we destroy you.
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Re: Tracks to busses solo's - this is a major oversight.
2013/12/13 18:07:40
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The subject of sport should be excluded from forums under the same umbrella as religion and politics.
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Re: Tracks to busses solo's - this is a major oversight.
2013/12/13 18:54:11
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As long as we keep it friendly Kev, I don't think there'll be a problem - but we are definitely getting a thumping. Series over I think.
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Re: Tracks to busses solo's - this is a major oversight.
2013/12/14 00:13:20
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All very friendly from this end.  But one thing is you never really know. The Brits could turn it all around. Stranger things have happened. We are on a bit of a roll at the moment and lets hope we keep on doing what we seem to be doing. I don't normally watch the cricket but I am enjoying these tests right now for sure.
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Re: Tracks to busses solo's - this is a major oversight.
2013/12/14 03:21:18
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We seem to making as better fist of things this morning (evening for you guys Lol)
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Re: Tracks to busses solo's - this is a major oversight.
2013/12/15 14:35:04
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Isn't the difference the OP is talking about is sends to busses coming from a tracks main (first) sub group don't get included in track solo. Aux sends to busses from the track its self of course do. I suppose it could be nice to have it both ways, and it makes for one of those up and downsides' situations to where you chain things but in general, to choose that as the SOP.. Definitely not.
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Re: Tracks to busses solo's - this is a major oversight.
2013/12/17 03:06:15
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Late getting back to the party, but... I still don't get what the problem is. I don't lose signal when I assign a track's output or send to a bus that routes to another hardware out and solo the track. I do it all the time for external metering, headphone mixes, loopback recording, external inserts, etc. Yes, if you solo a track the output of buses that other tracks route to will go silent, not because the bus isn't soloed, but because those tracks are effectively muted by soloing. That's the whole point of soloing. What am I missing? Rather than cryptically telling us, "If you run the system as outlined above you might find Sonar works differently than you think", how about telling us exactly what result you expect to get that you're not getting when you solo tracks in that scenario?
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