Ocean Way Drums Multichannel in Kontakt 5...no sound... [SOLVED...by workaround]

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Ocean Way Drums Multichannel in Kontakt 5...no sound... [SOLVED...by workaround]

Has anyone used an Ocean Way Drums multichannel kit in Sonar X(x)? I was able to neatly assign each piece of the kit to its own pair of stereo outputs in Kontakt 5 (1/2 up thru 19/20), but I'm having trouble getting Sonar to produce any sound that way. The MIDI track assigned to Kontakt shows a signal, and the individual tracks in Kontakt show signals properly when I play the MIDI track, but no sound is heard, and none of the individual kit piece tracks in Sonar show any signal...only the MIDI track does. If I change the output assignments in each Sonar track to the default Kontakt outputs, I then do get sound, but only on MOST of the kit pieces...one of the toms, the ride, and the crash cymbal either don't sound at all, or the sound comes through the wrong channel...so those default Kontakt output channels in Sonar appear to be all screwed up. The new outputs I set up in Kontakt that are all perfectly organized (in Kontakt) show up in the Sonar output channel list for each track, but they all say "unassigned". So if I select those "unassigned" outputs, that's when I get no sound. I know this sounds like a big, long mess, but I thought I'd throw this up here in case anyone immediately recognized this situation as something they've also experienced and was able to resolve...I searched the forums already, but no dice...thanks for any help...
post edited by B.R. - 2013/12/08 21:15:30
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    B.R.
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    Re: Ocean Way Drums Multichannel in Kontakt 5...no sound... 2013/12/08 18:07:27 (permalink)
    Never mind...I tried the same setup in Reaper as described in my above post, and it worked just fine...so I'll just use Reaper for this project.
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    Re: Ocean Way Drums Multichannel in Kontakt 5...no sound... 2013/12/08 18:51:05 (permalink)
    > It's too bad that Sonar just got its butt kicked by a $70.00 program...LOL!
     
    As they say, a bad workman always blames his tools. I have no issue at all with Kontakt drums and Sonar. If Reaper is more suitable for your workflow good for you but it's your butt that's the issue not Sonar or Kontakt's ;)

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    Re: Ocean Way Drums Multichannel in Kontakt 5...no sound... 2013/12/08 19:53:44 (permalink)
    Hey, thanks for the help, there, Alex! I myself will not lower myself to your level of personal insults.
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    Re: Ocean Way Drums Multichannel in Kontakt 5...no sound... 2013/12/08 20:06:45 (permalink)
    Nothing personal... fact is you couldn't get Sonar configured. Next time just say that rather than It's too bad that Sonar just got its butt kicked by a $70.00 program...
     
    Apols for just telling it how it is, please don't try to ruin an apps reputation just because you don't know how to use it or you have a config issue with a third party program. Good luck with Reaper, I've never used it but I am told it is a great app.
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    Re: Ocean Way Drums Multichannel in Kontakt 5...no sound... 2013/12/08 20:15:35 (permalink)
    B.R.
    Hey, thanks for the help, there, Alex! I myself will not lower myself to your level of personal insults.


    You get a lot of that on this forum.
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    Re: Ocean Way Drums Multichannel in Kontakt 5...no sound... 2013/12/08 20:19:01 (permalink)
    Right...I couldn't get Sonar configured. I could in Reaper, and it was simple. I admit it...I don't know how to use Sonar to accomplish such a simple task. If you jump down everybody's throat that submits a post on this forum that mentions something derogatory against Sonar, you must be a busy guy.
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    Re: Ocean Way Drums Multichannel in Kontakt 5...no sound... 2013/12/08 20:19:37 (permalink)
    Sorry but for me it's the equivalent of getting into a car, crashing it into a lamppost, and then blaming the car. I have no issues with people having issues, I do have issues with people blaming the car especially when the people who actually develop the software read these forums. Thankyou for clarification.

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    Re: Ocean Way Drums Multichannel in Kontakt 5...no sound... 2013/12/08 20:39:43 (permalink)
    I see your point, and I didn't know you actually worked for Cake (even though I see "Cake" is part of your username, I mistakenly assumed "Moderator" would appear in your avatar if that were the case). So no hard feelings, it's just that I have spent HOURS of internet research and trial and error trying to figure this out in Sonar, so hopefully you understand my frustration that I got it going within 20 minutes in Reaper. Obviously Sonar is a more powerful program than Reaper and I prefer to use it at all times, but I don't understand why some accomplishing some seemingly simple tasks have to be so complicated, at least without knowing the required "strategic moves" in Sonar...lol.
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    Re: Ocean Way Drums Multichannel in Kontakt 5...no sound... 2013/12/08 20:41:53 (permalink)
    Yes and to be honest I should have PM'd you. I am never the diplomat, apologies. Nothing ever is meant to be personal, I just can't help myself.
    BTW no I don't work for Cake, but I know what it is like to be a developer (defenceless).

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    Re: Ocean Way Drums Multichannel in Kontakt 5...no sound... 2013/12/09 00:48:01 (permalink)
    To the OP, assuming you want to get this working eventually.
     
    I don't have Ocean Way drums but I have Neil Peart Drums, Steven Slate Drums (the Kontakt version) and some other Sonic Reality kits. I have not had a problem setting up the routing for multiple channels as you describe. Also I have not had issues with the likes of Superior Drummer or BFD.
     
    So there is not a fundamental flaw in Sonar that prevents this.  Why not post a little more detail of how the routing is set up? maybe with a few screen shots and people on this forum will help you through. It's got to be something simple.
     
    Have you successfully set up Kontakt for multiple outs using other instruments? Try loading two or three instruments from the factory library and assign them to sperate outs. Does this work for you, and if so can you see any differences in the routing compared to your Ocean Way setup?
     
    This forum is pretty helpful but statements like "It's too bad that Sonar just got its butt kicked by a $70.00 program" will get people annoyed, particularly when posted before anyone has had a chance to make any constructive suggestion on resolving the issue.

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    Re: Ocean Way Drums Multichannel in Kontakt 5...no sound... 2013/12/09 00:57:27 (permalink)
    Hi B.R.
    I do that kind of routing with K5 drum kits all the time, both in Sonar and in Reaper (and PT, and Cubase and....). If you can give some details or screenshots I'll try and help out. I haven't tried Ocean Way drums, but I've certainly done it with all the Komplete 9 Ultimate kits as well as Purrrfect drums. 
     
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    Re: Ocean Way Drums Multichannel in Kontakt 5...no sound... 2013/12/09 02:57:21 (permalink)
    Thanks, guys, if I have time, maybe I'll try posting some screen shots tomorrow evening. I've been continuing on with Reaper all evening, but I'm sure I'll eventually hit a sticking point where I NEED Sonar! Lol
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    Re: Ocean Way Drums Multichannel in Kontakt 5...no sound... 2013/12/10 01:58:21 (permalink)
    This thread is not allowing me to submit this message with screen shots. I will submit the text below now and attempt to make another reply with the screenshots.
     
    In first shot, I assign the kick to the first of the new stereo pair outputs I made for each kit piece. I made them stereo because for a brief moment I was able to get sound when I had the kick and snare assigned to "unassigned" mono tracks each, but they were both hard panned left and right, respectively, regardless of how I had the pan pots set in either Sonar or on the kit piece in Ocean Way.
     
    In the second shot, you can see how the kick is getting a signal in the Ocean Way window, and the MIDI track in Sonar is getting a signal, but no signal is showing up in the individual Sonar tracks.
     
    The third shot shows how I re-assigned each kit piece to the new stereo pair tracks in Ocean Way. For some reason, when I reassign "Kt. unassigned 1 and 2" instead of the original "Kt. St. 1(1) and Kt. St. 2(2)" to the kick, the "plugin outputs" are automatically re-named from 1/2 to 11/12. On the snare, its outputs are renamed from 3/4 to 13/14, and so on.
     
    Back to the first shot, if I try assigning each piece to the group of the "original" outputs at the top of the list that are named by kit piece, I do get sound of the whole kit, but the signals for some of the kit pieces are all mixed up, particularly on the cymbals and toms. For example, I can hear the floor tom, and the master channel shows a signal for it, but no signal shows up in the Floor tom channel in Sonar! That makes it useless for me to assign FX in its FX bin, needless to say. That's the whole reason for using multichannel kits...lol! No matter what logical (or even semi-logical) output channel I try assigning the floor tom to in Sonar, no signal shows up in its output meter when the floor tom is played. The signal shows up in the Snare output meter instead!
     
    It's really hard to explain the problem I'm having, even with these screen shots, so I understand if there's not enough info here to go by. I'm just burned out on trying to figure this out in Sonar and will just use Reaper for now, if no solution is apparent. Thanks for looking, anyway. :-)
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Ocean Way Drums Multichannel in Kontakt 5...no sound... 2013/12/10 02:01:24 (permalink)
    No, it won't let me paste in any of my screen shots...to high-res, I guess. I don't have a photo editor like Photoshop on my computer, so I'm giving up on this.
     
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    Re: Ocean Way Drums Multichannel in Kontakt 5...no sound... 2013/12/10 11:45:35 (permalink)
    you need to host the files somewhere and put the link in the post.

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    Re: Ocean Way Drums Multichannel in Kontakt 5...no sound... 2013/12/10 12:28:13 (permalink)
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