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X3 VST Scanning Issues - this is getting really old now !
I started a thread a while back asking for help with X3 Pro VST Scan missing plugins, in particular Sampletank and Miroslav. Both of these VSTs work fine in standalone mode, but were not picked up by the VST scan, so can't be added to plug in menu. I was advised by some to do a plug-in reset, which I did and it caused far more problems than it solved - lost authorisations, even more missing vsts and such. So, many hours and much re-installing and authorising work later I'm more or less back to where I was before the reset, but things are a little different.....
X3 still missed both Sampletank and Miroslav on scan. I have uninstalled, reinstalled to default locations (as it was anyway) and now it picked up Miroslav, but not Sampletank. They both still work just fine in standalone mode. If I try to insert Miroslav into a project in X3 it crashes every time. If I do the same in 8.5PE it works just fine, but still no Sampletank in 8.5.
Go back to X3, try to insert Miroslav.......crash !!!
Also, EZ drummer which before the reset worked flawlessly is now listed in the scan as Dfh Sampler instead of Ezdrummer and this is what appears in the track name too. If I insert it into a project it brings up the EZ drummer interface, but says it isn't authorised. Insert the auth code and it works fine. Close the project, open another insert EZD and it says not authorised - so I have to reauthorise every time now. I have uninstalled and re-installed and it makes no difference.
Ever wished you hadn't bothered starting all this, I've avoided X series until now and I'm now beginning to wonder why I didn't continue to do so.
Any other suggestions anyone?
Win 7 64 bit OS
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Re: X3 VST Scanning Issues - this is getting really old now !
2013/12/11 14:45:38
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authorise ezd outside sonar? and maybe the name change is that new configuration setting that allows you to choose how the plug is named in the gui? good luck!
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Re: X3 VST Scanning Issues - this is getting really old now !
2013/12/11 15:13:06
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Are you using the 64bit version of 8.5 when testing the IK synths?
Starting with X2, there are several choices for the VST plug-in name format, controlled by a Cakewalk.ini variable VSTPlugInNameFormat set in Edit > Preferences > File > Initialization file. Valid values are 0, 1, 2, 3.
0 - Format 0: VST supplied name which is the new default
1 - Format 1: DLL Name which is the old behavior
2 - Format 2: VST Plugin Name (DLL Name)
3 - Format 3: DLL Name (VST Plugin Name)
After creating the variable, restart SONAR and the menus should display the new naming format.
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Re: X3 VST Scanning Issues - this is getting really old now !
2013/12/11 15:38:34
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authorise ezd outside sonar? and maybe the name change is that new configuration setting that allows you to choose how the plug is named in the gui? good luck!
Is there a way to do that ? I don't have any other DAW software and it isn't a standalone application as far as I know ?
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Re: X3 VST Scanning Issues - this is getting really old now !
2013/12/11 15:43:46
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Toontack Solo is the stand alone host Toontrack supplies for both EZdrummer and Superior Drummer
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Re: X3 VST Scanning Issues - this is getting really old now !
2013/12/11 15:46:58
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scook
Are you using the 64bit version of 8.5 when testing the IK synths?
Starting with X2, there are several choices for the VST plug-in name format, controlled by a Cakewalk.ini variable VSTPlugInNameFormat set in Edit > Preferences > File > Initialization file. Valid values are 0, 1, 2, 3.
0 - Format 0: VST supplied name which is the new default
1 - Format 1: DLL Name which is the old behavior
2 - Format 2: VST Plugin Name (DLL Name)
3 - Format 3: DLL Name (VST Plugin Name)
After creating the variable, restart SONAR and the menus should display the new naming format.
Sorry, lack of info - knew I'd missed something out - doh ! Using 32 bit X3 and 8.5PE in win 7 64 - I have installed 64 bit X3 , but haven't even gone there there yet - just been trying to get X3 working as 8.5 was so far - thought I'd start with the easy bit - wrong !! I'll try that format thing - didn't know about that - thanks.
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Re: X3 VST Scanning Issues - this is getting really old now !
2013/12/11 15:47:26
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BTW, if EZDrummer is showing up as Dfh, you may want to check which version of EZDrummer you are running. The current 64bit version is 1.3.3
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Re: X3 VST Scanning Issues - this is getting really old now !
2013/12/11 15:52:52
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scook
Toontack Solo is the stand alone host Toontrack supplies for both EZdrummer and Superior Drummer
Ok thanks, I didn't know that - downloading now.
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Re: X3 VST Scanning Issues - this is getting really old now !
2013/12/11 15:54:31
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scook
BTW, if EZDrummer is showing up as Dfh, you may want to check which version of EZDrummer you are running. The current 64bit version is 1.3.3
I just installed it from the disc I bought way back when. Have to check that.
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Re: X3 VST Scanning Issues - this is getting really old now !
2013/12/11 16:29:57
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scook
BTW, if EZDrummer is showing up as Dfh, you may want to check which version of EZDrummer you are running. The current 64bit version is 1.3.3
It's 1.04 on the disc, so that is what is loaded - guess I should find a later version.....but........here's the spanner in the works I just opened it in X3 64 and it works perfectly other than the track name showing as dfh sampler. Sampletank also works with no problem, but Miroslav although showing on the menu says that it cannot install as synth may be installed incorrectly. Still works ok in x3 32 though. scook
Starting with X2, there are several choices for the VST plug-in name format, controlled by a Cakewalk.ini variable VSTPlugInNameFormat set in Edit > Preferences > File > Initialization file. Valid values are 0, 1, 2, 3.
0 - Format 0: VST supplied name which is the new default
1 - Format 1: DLL Name which is the old behavior
2 - Format 2: VST Plugin Name (DLL Name)
3 - Format 3: DLL Name (VST Plugin Name)
After creating the variable, restart SONAR and the menus should display the new naming format.
Am I supposed to see anything in the boxes there - they are just blank. Sorry if I'm being dumb.
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Re: X3 VST Scanning Issues - this is getting really old now !
2013/12/11 16:33:16
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1. If installing from downloaded files, did you suspend any antivirus software prior to doing the downloads? If not, you can check the download file integrity using the check sum info and such, published by Cakewalk. It is possible that the downloaded files got messed up - this has happened to me, and to others.
2. Did you have your antivirus software suspended during the install? This too can cause trouble.
3. Did you launch the install with the EXPLICIT 'Run As Administrator' option? (I do not mean just having an account with admin privileges, I mean right-clicking on the install icon and clicking on Run As Administrator. If not, this may well be cause for some of the issues you are having.
If you end up needing or choosing to do an uninstall and install again, there are a couple of registry keys that you would need to delete, after running the uninstall program from Control Panel, and there are a couple of hidden data folders you would also need to delete. If you DO choose to uninstall/install and want a better set of steps, please just indicate that and I will flesh out those steps for you.
Bob Bone
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Re: X3 VST Scanning Issues - this is getting really old now !
2013/12/11 16:41:09
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Run what ever versions versions work for you. I choose to keep my software current. Should you experience problems with your software, expect the first recommendation to be "run the current version"
The box is empty in Edit > Preferences > File > Initialization file because by default there are no entries in the Cakewalk.ini. That is normal. If you want to change the way the plug-in scanner determines the plug-in names, enter the VSTPlugInNameFormat variablewith an appropriate value.
BTW, if you are making the leap from 8.5 32bit to X3 64bit, there will be some plug-in issues. Having the 32bit version of X3 as a fallback plan for 32bit plug-ins and projects that fail to load in the 64bit version is a good idea.
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Re: X3 VST Scanning Issues - this is getting really old now !
2013/12/11 16:56:44
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robert_e_bone
1. If installing from downloaded files, did you suspend any antivirus software prior to doing the downloads? If not, you can check the download file integrity using the check sum info and such, published by Cakewalk. It is possible that the downloaded files got messed up - this has happened to me, and to others.
2. Did you have your antivirus software suspended during the install? This too can cause trouble.
3. Did you launch the install with the EXPLICIT 'Run As Administrator' option? (I do not mean just having an account with admin privileges, I mean right-clicking on the install icon and clicking on Run As Administrator. If not, this may well be cause for some of the issues you are having.
If you end up needing or choosing to do an uninstall and install again, there are a couple of registry keys that you would need to delete, after running the uninstall program from Control Panel, and there are a couple of hidden data folders you would also need to delete. If you DO choose to uninstall/install and want a better set of steps, please just indicate that and I will flesh out those steps for you.
Bob Bone
thanks for chiming in again... 1) Sonar is installed from discs. 2) DAW pc not connected to www so no antivirus running. 3) Yes Thanks for the offer - I will take you up on that if it becomes necessary.
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Re: X3 VST Scanning Issues - this is getting really old now !
2013/12/11 16:59:54
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What is the maintenance level of your Windows? (how out of date on applying maintenance are you)
Also, what precise version of X3 are you running? (did you apply the X3 maintenance updates, and if so, which ones did you apply?) You can get that information by firing up X3 and clicking on Help>About Sonar.
And, did you run all maintenance updates with Run As Administrator, if you applied any maintenance?
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Re: X3 VST Scanning Issues - this is getting really old now !
2013/12/11 17:12:21
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Run what ever versions versions work for you. I choose to keep my software current. Should you experience problems with your software, expect the first recommendation to be "run the current version"
The box is empty in Edit > Preferences > File > Initialization file because by default there are no entries in the Cakewalk.ini. That is normal. If you want to change the way the plug-in scanner determines the plug-in names, enter the VSTPlugInNameFormat variablewith an appropriate value.
BTW, if you are making the leap from 8.5 32bit to X3 64bit, there will be some plug-in issues. Having the 32bit version of X3 as a fallback plan for 32bit plug-ins and projects that fail to load in the 64bit version is a good idea.
I usually keep up to date myself - didn't think to check for updates as I don't use it much now really, but I want it there for when I open any older projects that might contain it. Yes, that was the reason for having the 32 bit version alongside 64. I knew there would be possible issues, so it was supposed to be the fallback while I ironed out the wrinkles with 64 bit. The strange thing is that the majority of the problems are actually now with the 32 bit version. This is where I am at now...... Since opening EZD in X3 64 and finding that it worked in now works fine in both X3 and 8.5 32 and 64 bit apart from the name thing ( I will do as you say and see what happens there). I have now also updated to v1.33 and still working fine other than the track name, so I'm all but there as far as EZD goes. Sampletank - x3 64 works fine 8.5 64 works fine X3 32 not listed in scan or menu 8.5 32 not listed in scan or menu Miroslav - X3 in menu but fails to insert 8.5 64 in menu but fails to insert x3 32 - in menu .....crash !!! 8.5 32 works fine Confused ? You will be..........
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Re: X3 VST Scanning Issues - this is getting really old now !
2013/12/11 17:20:36
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What is the maintenance level of your Windows? (how out of date on applying maintenance are you)
Also, what precise version of X3 are you running? (did you apply the X3 maintenance updates, and if so, which ones did you apply?) You can get that information by firing up X3 and clicking on Help>About Sonar.
And, did you run all maintenance updates with Run As Administrator, if you applied any maintenance?
Bob Bone
It's a brand new professionally installed and up to date install of W7 as of last week. Installed X3 from discs and then downloaded X3c and installed. Can't swear 100% if I did the update with Run as Admin, but I usually do, so I would expect so. These issues existed prior to X3c as I installed that afterwards before I posted anything in case it resolved the problem somehow.
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Re: X3 VST Scanning Issues - this is getting really old now !
2013/12/11 17:24:33
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The thread is pretty easy to follow for now. For your stability issues, you need answer Bob's questions about windows and updates.
One thing to keep in mind, when using older plug-ins, it may be necessary to run SONAR as administrator to have the software run reliably.
Make sure the Sampletank dll is in 32bit scan path. The 32bit and 64bit versions of SONAR have separate plug-in scanners working from separate configurations.
Miroslav ... I do not know what you mean by crash. Does it display an error message and shut down SONAR? If so what is the error message. Or does SONAR just disappear? Is there a newer version of the product? I don't have any firsthand experience with IK software.
You might have to do some sleuthing in the Windows Event viewer for clues.
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Re: X3 VST Scanning Issues - this is getting really old now !
2013/12/11 18:41:35
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The thread is pretty easy to follow for now. For your stability issues, you need answer Bob's questions about windows and updates.
One thing to keep in mind, when using older plug-ins, it may be necessary to run SONAR as administrator to have the software run reliably.
Make sure the Sampletank dll is in 32bit scan path. The 32bit and 64bit versions of SONAR have separate plug-in scanners working from separate configurations.
Miroslav ... I do not know what you mean by crash. Does it display an error message and shut down SONAR? If so what is the error message. Or does SONAR just disappear? Is there a newer version of the product? I don't have any firsthand experience with IK software.
You might have to do some sleuthing in the Windows Event viewer for clues.
I thought I just did - it's a brand new install of win 7 that was professionally installed and fully up to date as of last Thursday. I just ran all versions as admin and had to re-authorise Sampletank and Miroslav, which has changed things a bit.... Now I have ....... 8.5 32 everything works (except for EZD name - haven't done that bit yet) X3 32 EZD as 8.5 ST Crash ! Miroslav Crash ! Crash = " Runtime error - this application has requested the runtime to terminate it in an unusual way. I have no choice but to click Ok and then I get "SONARPRDR.EXE has stopped working - Close Program" X3 32 run as admin EZD as per 8.5 ST and Miroslav both load fine 8.5 64 EZD is fine including correct name ST ok Miroslav - failed to load error 8.5 64 as admin as above x3 64 same x3 64 as admin same In summary then... ST and Miroslav only work in X3 32 if I run as admin yet they work in 8.5 32 without having to run as admin. ST works fine in both 8.5 and X3 64 whether I run as admin or not - Miroslave gives "failed to load - synth may not be installed correctly" whether I run as admin or not. Progress of sorts then and light at the end of the tunnel. Too late to do any more today. Thanks for the help guys, much appreciated. I'm away tomorrow, so will update when I can.
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Re: X3 VST Scanning Issues - this is getting really old now !
2013/12/11 18:52:11
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It sounds like you need to talk with IKM about their software and Sonar. Shake the bushes, there's usually one of those IK guys lurking about.
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