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Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
Not sure if this is just an X3c/d thing or whether it was fixed in previous versions of X3, but although I had excellent luck with V-Vocal, the one problem it did have was occasional crashing when inserted in Take Lane clips. Last night I was working on several Take Lane clips with V-Vocal, and there were no problems.
The other difference I noticed was that V-Vocal no longer generates a new clip on top of or behind (it never could quite seem to make up its mind) the existing clip. Some won't like this because they don't have an automatically generated "safety copy," but I prefer it as I always had to go in and delete the old clips anyway.
Although Melodyne is great, V-Vocal has some features I use a lot so I'm glad both are working well.
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/18 15:24:45
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Craig I've also noticed that X3 overall handles jBridge plug-ins better as well. No more graphics glitches.
Used Melodyne for the first time last night since X3 and it works great, V Vocal was good to, but the occasional crashes have left me jaded.
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/18 15:31:50
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Anderton
The other difference I noticed was that V-Vocal no longer generates a new clip on top of or behind (it never could quite seem to make up its mind) the existing clip. Some won't like this because they don't have an automatically generated "safety copy," but I prefer it as I always had to go in and delete the old clips anyway.
I'm one of the "some" - I kinda liked the old non-destructive ability to start over once you realised several days later that you didn't quite get that adjustment on that clip right - just to prove that you can't please everyone, it's something that I don't like about melodyne.
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/18 16:52:03
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Speaking of graphic glitches, did X3 fix the "FX Chain when docked" issue of misplacing it's graphics?
In case you didn't notice... in X2 the plugin name screen flies off the background and hangs in "thin air" next to it. It would also stretch any background graphics incorrectly that you applied to it. Goofy!
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/18 17:21:46
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Anderton
Not sure if this is just an X3c/d thing or whether it was fixed in previous versions of X3, but although I had excellent luck with V-Vocal, the one problem it did have was occasional crashing when inserted in Take Lane clips. Last night I was working on several Take Lane clips with V-Vocal, and there were no problems.
The other difference I noticed was that V-Vocal no longer generates a new clip on top of or behind (it never could quite seem to make up its mind) the existing clip. Some won't like this because they don't have an automatically generated "safety copy," but I prefer it as I always had to go in and delete the old clips anyway.
Although Melodyne is great, V-Vocal has some features I use a lot so I'm glad both are working well.
All part of the original X3 release :) We took out the extra clip - it was way too confusing when you tried moving the vvocal clip as you found. As a side effect of the big ARA rework some old vvocal workflow bugs were fixed.
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/18 17:26:06
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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Not sure if this is just an X3c/d thing or whether it was fixed in previous versions of X3, but although I had excellent luck with V-Vocal, the one problem it did have was occasional crashing when inserted in Take Lane clips. Last night I was working on several Take Lane clips with V-Vocal, and there were no problems.
The other difference I noticed was that V-Vocal no longer generates a new clip on top of or behind (it never could quite seem to make up its mind) the existing clip. Some won't like this because they don't have an automatically generated "safety copy," but I prefer it as I always had to go in and delete the old clips anyway.
Although Melodyne is great, V-Vocal has some features I use a lot so I'm glad both are working well.
All part of the original X3 release :) We took out the extra clip - it was way too confusing when you tried moving the vvocal clip as you found. As a side effect of the big ARA rework some old vvocal workflow bugs were fixed.
Aha! So it wasn't just my imagination...it does work better. Not having the extra clip doesn't bother me at all. I usually copy any track that will be subject to extensive destructive processing anyway.
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/18 17:39:19
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
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Not sure if this is just an X3c/d thing or whether it was fixed in previous versions of X3, but although I had excellent luck with V-Vocal, the one problem it did have was occasional crashing when inserted in Take Lane clips. Last night I was working on several Take Lane clips with V-Vocal, and there were no problems.
The other difference I noticed was that V-Vocal no longer generates a new clip on top of or behind (it never could quite seem to make up its mind) the existing clip. Some won't like this because they don't have an automatically generated "safety copy," but I prefer it as I always had to go in and delete the old clips anyway.
Although Melodyne is great, V-Vocal has some features I use a lot so I'm glad both are working well.
All part of the original X3 release :) We took out the extra clip - it was way too confusing when you tried moving the vvocal clip as you found. As a side effect of the big ARA rework some old vvocal workflow bugs were fixed.
Noel, is there a way in X3 to set the melodyne/vv to open as an undocked window by default ?
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/18 17:42:48
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If I don't like the results of a track that's "subject to extensive destructive processing" I sometimes use the Ctrl+Z function and start over.
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/18 18:06:57
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Melodyne or VVocal as region FXes are not really destructive processing until you explicitly bounce them. I say that because you can remove any region FX and return to the original audio, totally outside the flow of Ctrl-Z.
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/18 18:15:14
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Melodyne or VVocal as region FXes are not really destructive processing until you explicitly bounce them. I say that because you can remove any region FX and return to the original audio, totally outside the flow of Ctrl-Z.
Yeah I get that, but VV had a habit of causing crashes, especially if too many instances were left open, so I got into the habit of bouncing to clip pretty quickly, safe in the knowledge that I could re-do if necessary at a later date. I don't know if melodyne would do that or not yet, or what impact it has on CPU if left open in many instances. Cloning and then hiding the original track takes is an easy enough way around it, but it's a case of old habits now I guess and something else to remember when there is so much other new stuff to take on board.
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/18 20:09:46
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paulo
Noel, is there a way in X3 to set the melodyne/vv to open as an undocked window by default ?
Not today. It was designed so that Melodyne defaults to feeling like an integrated view. We should however remember the preference if the user undocks it and closes it...
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/21 10:08:26
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
paulo
Noel, is there a way in X3 to set the melodyne/vv to open as an undocked window by default ?
Not today. It was designed so that Melodyne defaults to feeling like an integrated view. We should however remember the preference if the user undocks it and closes it...
OK thanks for responding. I use dual screens and prefer to keep one just for track view and have everything else open on the other as it feels less cluttered that way. I would be a nice option to have with melodyne one day for multiple screen users.
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/21 12:33:29
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Vvocal still crashes the program for me, every time. Tried re-installing from X2, etc., nothing worked. Any help?
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/21 12:37:05
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It's been working great for me since X3A. Honestly, I avoided using it in prior versions because I never found it to be stable. I have used it on two projects since X3 and have not had a single issue so far.
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/21 12:38:17
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Clint, maybe if you walk us through step by step what leads to the crash someone could help. Is it crashing on launch?
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/21 12:41:49
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Create Region Effects--Vvocal--interface comes up for a second, crash. That's it.
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/21 12:44:50
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Clint Swank
Vvocal still crashes the program for me, every time. Tried re-installing from X2, etc., nothing worked. Any help?
I'm sure you probably know all this, but Bitflipper's advice on using vvocal is great. http://forum.cakewalk.com...13&mpage=1#2276613
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/21 12:48:24
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Clint. wow. Hard to get a finger on what causes such an instant crash. That is what I often got on older versions of Sonar. I would actually give tech support a call. They probably will ask you to send them an error log report to help trace possible system issues that could be causing that.
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/21 12:50:51
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jb101- great repost. It's interesting that melodyne offers similar tips in their instructional videos. bitflipper is a great resource.
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/21 12:52:34
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Clint Swank
Create Region Effects--Vvocal--interface comes up for a second, crash. That's it.
Confirmed X3D Log Name: Application Source: Application Error Date: 21/12/2013 17:50:03 Event ID: 1000 Task Category: (100) Level: Error Keywords: Classic User: N/A Computer: Description: Faulting application name: SONARPDR.exe, version: 20.0.4.278, time stamp: 0x52abb061 Faulting module name: Cronus.dll, version: 1.5.2.5, time stamp: 0x4a3ef3d7 Exception code: 0xc0000005 Fault offset: 0x000000000005ba4c Faulting process id: 0xd4 Faulting application start time: 0x01cefe631db1bf2f Faulting application path: C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\SONAR X3 Producer\SONARPDR.exeFaulting module path: C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared DXi\VVocal\Cronus.dllReport Id: 511e5a58-6a68-11e3-b2fa-842b2bb1d3ad Event Xml: <Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event"> <System> <Provider Name="Application Error" /> <EventID Qualifiers="0">1000</EventID> <Level>2</Level> <Task>100</Task> <Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords> <TimeCreated SystemTime="2013-12-21T17:50:03.000000000Z" /> <EventRecordID>23004</EventRecordID> <Channel>Application</Channel> <Computer></Computer> <Security /> </System> <EventData> <Data>SONARPDR.exe</Data> <Data>20.0.4.278</Data> <Data>52abb061</Data> <Data>Cronus.dll</Data> <Data>1.5.2.5</Data> <Data>4a3ef3d7</Data> <Data>c0000005</Data> <Data>000000000005ba4c</Data> <Data>d4</Data> <Data>01cefe631db1bf2f</Data> <Data>C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\SONAR X3 Producer\SONARPDR.exe</Data> <Data>C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared DXi\VVocal\Cronus.dll</Data> <Data>511e5a58-6a68-11e3-b2fa-842b2bb1d3ad</Data> </EventData> </Event>
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/21 12:56:31
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Backpeddle - new projects in X3D don't even have any V-Vocal option which suggests it is not installed, old projects give me the option and the crash. Above I wrote wrong so crossed it out... @Clint please create a new project, can you confirm that a crash doesn't happen, it's only old projects? UPDATE - Seems I can no longer reproduce, it must happen under specific conditions, but as you can see on my previous post it does happen. Use Melodyne ! :)
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/21 14:05:07
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Clint Swank
Vvocal still crashes the program for me, every time. Tried re-installing from X2, etc., nothing worked. Any help?
If it crashes immediately on creating a vvocal clip then most likely you have a broken install. (especially if the same crash occurs in X2) Look in C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared DXi\VVocal You should see: Cronus.dll VpEnc.dll VPSoloDec.dll Also there should be a subfolder called Skin which contains 4 bitmaps and 2 ini files. If any are missing its possible that one of these is causing the crash.
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/21 14:08:50
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Well Vvocal works for me but occasionally crashes.
DLL versions are:
Cronus.dll 1.5.2.5
VpEnc.dll 1.3.0.0
VPSoloDec.dll 1.0.0.2
Hmm wondering if renaming those .INI files does anything.... Hey kids don't try this at home...
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/21 14:40:26
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All of the above are installed, same version #'s. Always worked in X1 & 2, though I haven't tried them recently.
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/22 07:19:57
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I have an old project which I'm attempting to finish and every time I start V-Vocal I get a fatal crash
It's fine on new projects so i guess I have some investigating to do
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/22 11:14:27
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I never bounce V-Vocal or Melodyne unless I need to further mangle the audio. I'm sure I've had at least eight simultaneously running instances of V-Vocal (meaning actually playing at the same time) even on my previous home-built system. Never noticed any crashes because of it, if they happened they seemed to always be upon first insertion.
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/22 11:18:22
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It's the elimination of crash upon first insertion that prompted me to start this thread. However, I have not opened pre-X3d projects where the crashing happened before to see if the crashing still happens with those projects. As the problems happened for me when Take Lanes were involved (which got s lot of use for comping vocals), I suspect the change in Take Lanes in X3d might be the reason why I no longer have problems.
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Re: Seems V-Vocal Is Working Better After the Recent Updates
2013/12/22 13:06:33
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Hmmm I dont have any pre-x3 files with v-vocal.
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