noise while recording guitar

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2013/12/19 10:40:37 (permalink)

noise while recording guitar

My amp has some hum when I have it on OD, and it comes through when I record.   How do you get rid of it within Sonar?

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    sven450
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    Re: noise while recording guitar 2013/12/19 10:46:59 (permalink)
     I assume you mean when you are not playing?
    There are several good gates that come with sonar.  The Sonitus works great, as does the new BT one.  Just grab one of those babies and use it.

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    Re: noise while recording guitar 2013/12/19 11:20:50 (permalink)
    Yeah, after I record and play it back, there's hum from the amp in the mix.  
    What is BT?
    Thanks!  I appreciate your help!
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    Re: noise while recording guitar 2013/12/19 12:03:49 (permalink)
    BT = Blue Tubes, the vsts that come with Sonar X3 Producer.


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    Re: noise while recording guitar 2013/12/19 12:04:27 (permalink)
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    Re: noise while recording guitar 2013/12/19 14:22:28 (permalink)
    Thanks!
     
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    Re: noise while recording guitar 2013/12/19 16:25:26 (permalink)
    how loud is the hum when you are playing?  You shouldn't be able to hear the hum over the playing. A gate will eliminate the hum when there's no signal, but if you can hear the hum in the track with the guitar playing, you need to solve that issue as no gate in the world will stop that.
     
    Better signal levels from the guitar might help. Be sure the guitar is not close to the monitor. Even my flat screen has hum that gets picked up if I'm in front of it and close enough. I normally have to turn sideways or back away before the recording starts.

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    Re: noise while recording guitar 2013/12/19 16:49:50 (permalink)
    I have to turn and get the right angle to eliminate monitor hum when I'm sitting in front of the computer and recording guitar.   But my amp has some noise when I turn up the OD a little.   It's not loud, but it's there. 
     
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    Re: noise while recording guitar 2013/12/19 17:38:00 (permalink)
    dont try to fix it with sonar.
     
    fix it the proper way, with updated guitar shielding, better cables, power filtering, etc.
     
    fix it at the source.
     
    there is really only one way to do a job right.
     
     
     
     

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    Re: noise while recording guitar 2013/12/20 02:17:12 (permalink)
    My biggest deal is the pick, and when it hits the face of the guitar?  You pretty much have to track that again.
     
    It's a loud "CLICK" on the recording.

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    Re: noise while recording guitar 2013/12/20 08:33:17 (permalink)
    You can use a narrow notch filter set to your local line frequency, 60Hz in North America, 50Hz almost everywhere else. It's a kludge, though, and may be only partially effective or aversely affect your guitar tone. Any parametric equalizer can do it, including the Sonitus EQ. Note that although the Sonitus has presets for 50 and 60Hz hum removal, you might have better results by stacking multiple notches at the same frequency.
     
    Of course, you'll be doing yourself a big favor if you can cure the hum at the source. How you do that depends on whether the hum is originating in the amp, the guitar, stompboxes or cables. Guitar amps are notorious for hum. Some amp sims even mix a little hum in for realism.
     
    First step is to make sure your amp and microphone signal chain share a common ground. Simply having your computer or audio interface plugged into a different electrical circuit from the amplifier can cause a ground loop if your wiring isn't great (and most residential wiring isn't).


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    Re: noise while recording guitar 2013/12/20 09:45:53 (permalink)
    A lot depends on the guitar and the pickups.
     
    My very well made American classic 69 Gibson SG is nearly dead quiet even on the overdrive settings in the POD and my Studio Boogie.... however, my Chinese made Modern Tele is noisy as can be under the exact same settings..... I'm sure the Tele has cheaper pickups and is likely not shielded nearly as well as the Gibson.
     
    I can mitigate the hum on the Tele some by backing away and turning off phase to the monitor.....and using the volume knob on the guitar to keep the level down until ready to play....also keeping a hand on the metal or strings keeps the hum down as well..... <<<< grounding issues in the guitar since my Gibson doesn't act that way.
     
    Solve it at the source as the advice was given above is the best way. Find work around solutions if you can but "fixing it in the mix" is a last resort.

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    Re: noise while recording guitar 2013/12/20 10:51:07 (permalink)
    Thanks, guys!  I appreciate all your help!
     
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    Re: noise while recording guitar 2013/12/25 08:20:14 (permalink)
    If the Gibsons generate less noise than Fenders, maybe the pickup design needs a special designation.
     
    I nominate 'buzzshucker'.
     
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    Re: noise while recording guitar 2013/12/25 08:36:25 (permalink)
    I usually have gated but set the level down to like -40dB or something… I like the sound of the distortion still there.
     
    I didn't wanna make another new topic of my own… but I'm wondering what really is a 'warm' sound? (Sorry greg54 if I'm hijacking) So Blue Tubes gate and compressor and stuff are SWEET, they sound good but also a little different from [that other compressor that comes with CW X3S]… maybe it's just my setting, cuz digital is supposedly a cold, dead-sounding world with no warmth, and I assume the compressors and gates do basically the same thing with just a different skin on the outside… So yeah, what is a warm sound? Is it like… loudness? Edginess?
     
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    Re: noise while recording guitar 2013/12/25 11:51:32 (permalink)
    davdud,
     
    gates and comps use some of the same terminology, but are opposite.  A Compressor compresses the dBs between the lowest and loudest sounds on the track being affected.  That is why they usually have make-up gain, so you squash the top of the signal and raise the lower level sounds.  It makes it easier to place a track, volume-wise, in your song so it doesn't overwhelm the rest of the tracks or dissappear underneath.
     
    A gate doesn't affect the top level, but cuts off the sound below the threshold.  So that noise, for example, is cut off when the guitar sound dies out.
     
    Warm is a loose term.  If you were around when digital started, you know what warm means as opposed to digital.  BT (and other saturation software) tries to mimic the sound softening inherent in transfomer-based electronics and tape.  Both of those have a natural compression effect and sound different as you drive them harder.  Not a harsh cutoff like digital as you go over into distortion, analog "changes" before it distorts.  Most modern digital sounds pretty clean and precise and upfront.  BT stuff softens the precise angles in the sound.  MOre modern digital effects also respond more naturally to drive, like the softube stuff. But BT is still good to differentiate tracks.  If you like it, use it, just be aware that it is easy to overdue BT, so the song can start to sound hazy.
     
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