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2013/12/23 18:36:40 (permalink)

Can't get Z3TA to respond to aftertouch [SOLVED]

I 've tried rightclicking on the parameter in question (e g cut off freq for a filter). The aftertouch work on my Novation Impulse and other controllers do work with Sonar and Z3TA.
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Re: Can't get Z3TA to respond to aftertouch 2013/12/24 07:23:30 (permalink)
Aftertouch with MIDI Learn is working here.  After right-clicking, make sure that you apply enough pressure to a key on the keyboard controller for z3ta+2 to 'sense' the aftertouch message.   Or, you can apply aftertouch manually.  Right-click on the cutoff frequency knob (for example), Add MIDI Control, and navigate to CC 128. Aftertouch.
 
You can check Options -> Show MIDI Configuration File (or right-click on the control a second time) to make sure that aftertouch was bound to the control.  My Novations here can disable aftertouch in the Template, so there's another possibility to check.
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Re: Can't get Z3TA to respond to aftertouch 2013/12/24 16:19:44 (permalink)
Thank you kindly and Merry Christmas b rock!
I have followed most of the steps (and do apply anormous amount of pressure ) but how do I check aftertouch in the template? Project saved as .cwp-file and not as .cwt? Aftertouch does work with Novation e g with my hardware synth.
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Re: Can't get Z3TA to respond to aftertouch 2013/12/24 17:20:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby equality 2013/12/24 19:15:40
but how do I check aftertouch in the template?
  What I meant was the Template settings in the Novation keyboard itself (I use the older Novation ReMotes).  But it sounds like aftertouch is transmitting to your hardware synth.
 
 
In Sonar, check Edit -> Preferences -> MIDI -> Playback and Recording -> Record to see if Channel Aftertouch is checked.  Other than that, I'm not sure what could be blocking your aftertouch messages.  There are other tests that we can get into later (I'm running late for a Christmas Eve dinner).
 
 
We'll get this working for you.  It's something simple.
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Re: Can't get Z3TA to respond to aftertouch 2013/12/24 17:50:01 (permalink)
Thnx again b rock. Yes "key aftertouch" checked allright. I'll try with another synth then Dim Pro and check if that one responds to aftertiuch.

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Re: Can't get Z3TA to respond to aftertouch 2013/12/24 17:57:35 (permalink)
I see now that the dim pro midi track doesn't elicit while pressing hard on a key on Novation. The sounds work allright. In JV1010 (hard ware synth) the lamp for midi signal does blink during the same manouver. Seems like Sonar doesn't respond to that type of midi signal and this couldn't be an issue of its software synths. Pitchbend and Mod wheel work ok.

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Re: Can't get Z3TA to respond to aftertouch 2013/12/24 18:04:47 (permalink)
Got it! "Key aftertouch" checked wasn't enough. Also "channel aftertouch" needed to be checked.

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Re: Can't get Z3TA to respond to aftertouch 2013/12/24 18:15:24 (permalink)
One final(?) question:
The small keyboard Sonar-icon (near the clock of the computer) has two lamps. The left one has its red light on all the time. Shouldn't it just blink while the midi-in signal is there?

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Re: Can't get Z3TA to respond to aftertouch 2013/12/24 21:46:51 (permalink)
It's great that you have this sorted out.  As you've found, 'aftertouch' usually implies channel aftertouch.  Polyphonic / key aftertouch is very powerful, but rarely implemented.  You'll find it on high-end classic hardware synths, and some of the newer pad triggers or KMI MIDI controllers.
 
The left one has its red light on all the time. Shouldn't it just blink while the midi-in signal is there?

Yes.  It's MIDI Input (left) and Output (right) activity.  You could have a MIDI feedback loop (output somehow looping back to input).  Or it could be as simple as a fast MIDI clock input, or an 'active sensing' message.
 
Some hardware keyboards (like Rolands) send a data byte every 300 milliseconds.  It's supposed to prevent stuck notes if a MIDI cable gets disconnected.  It's rarely used, adds some unnecessary overhead, and usually can't be defeated at the keyboard.  There are ways to filter it out, but most people just ignore it.
 
The only problem that I've ever had with active sensing is that it freaks out my FCB-1010 pedalboard.  The fix is to power-on the pedalboard with the MIDI In cable disconnected, then plug the cable back in.
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Re: Can't get Z3TA to respond to aftertouch 2013/12/25 04:25:01 (permalink)
I do have another keyboard connected to Sonar. It's a Yamaha Clavinova which has a more "ivory feel" due to its weighed keys. From that goes a midi out cable, via my Cakewalk VS 100 sound card then a USB cable to computer. Disconnection of midi out cable from the Clavinova turns out that eternal red little light from the icon on the screen.
Seems like one of those loops you mentioned. Doesn't really feel that it harms the system or do you think I should get to the bottom with this?

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Re: Can't get Z3TA to respond to aftertouch 2013/12/25 07:19:35 (permalink)
Doesn't really feel that it harms the system or do you think I should get to the bottom with this?

 
Ignore it, unless you see a problem surface later on.  There's a lot going on with that Clavinola.  It's a full MIDI workstation in its own right.  What you're seeing in the MIDI In/Out Activity may be annoying, but I believe it is harmless.
 
  • If it were a MIDI loop, you'd be seeing some odd behavior ('frozen' MIDI meters in the Track View; 'echoing' notes from Local On at the Yamaha keyboard).
  • It is possible that some knob, slider, or control on the Yamaha is intermittent, or has some dust in it.  Sometimes, controls like that will transmit continuously.  I doubt this is it, because that control would always be the first message 'learned' in your MIDI Learn procedure (detailed above).
  • If it's 'active' sensing' messages [FE], there's not much you can do about it easily.
  • If it's MIDI Clock pulse [F8], then you can turn off Internal tempo transmission at the Clavinola (usually, the default setting).  That is, unless you're using it as your 'master' MIDI Clock source for Sonar.  I stumbled across an interesting note in the Clavinola manual: The MIDI clock resolution is an astounding 1920 pulses every quarter note.
 
That is extremely fine resolution (if it's not a typo).  That would certainly explain the 'steady red light'.  If I had to guess, I'd say that it's your internal MIDI clock on the Clavinola that's the culprit here.  Again, probably harmless, but it could be contributing to some unnecessary MIDI data overhead, if you're not using it for anything.
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Re: Can't get Z3TA to respond to aftertouch 2013/12/25 11:31:23 (permalink)
Thanks again for your explicit response! The Clavinova, a far as I can see, only transmits midi notes, no aftertouch nor wheels nor pitchbend. It's a good piece of furniture I can have my computer screens on it as well as the loudspeakers and typewriter keyboard underneath. The weighed keyboard is good for grand piano playing, Its sound from within are useless. Many words about that.
Turning the Clavinova off immediately turns off the steady red light.

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Re: Can't get Z3TA to respond to aftertouch 2016/01/13 12:15:27 (permalink)
I can't get poly aftertouch to work with Z3TA. I have a CME XKey37 and poly aftertouch works on all of my apps that support it-but does not seem to work with Z3TA. The Z3TA recognizes the channel aftertouch though. 
 
Does anyone know for sure that the Z3TA supports poly aftertouch? I see "PolyAft" in the Matrix Control list but it does not respond to poly aftertouch.
 
I will be very disappointed if I spent $20 for an app that does not do what it is supposed to do from a company that does not provide it's customers any technical support or way of contacting them.
 
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Re: Can't get Z3TA to respond to aftertouch 2016/01/13 12:40:45 (permalink)
Bob("b" lots)
Have you tried sending the Poly After Touch to an obvious destination?
 
Is this stand alone or inside a DAW and if so which one?  SONAR filters After-touch messages by default it needs to be enabled in the Midi Preferences.
 
The link below will take you to the front page of the problem reporting page.  This is the method provided by Cakewalk for customers to contact their technical support team directly.
The Problem Report Form for Cakewalk Software
 
Making this statement somewhat incorrect. 
 
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Re: Can't get Z3TA to respond to aftertouch 2016/01/13 13:46:09 (permalink)
Thank you for your quick response.
 
Yes. I have connected PolyAft to Oscillators/All Ocillators/Pitch. I figure that pitch is the easiest to detect changes in modulation. I can definately hear the difference when I use, ChanAft or Mod wheel, but not when using PolyAft. 
 
I'm just using Z3TA+, all by itself with no other apps running, and the XKey37 connected as usual to the USB port on my iPadMini2.
 
I went to the Problem Report Form but the Product drop-down would not open to show the list of products and I cannot use the form unless a product is selected. 
 
Hopefully there is a solution to getting poly aftertouch to work with Z3TA+.
 
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Re: Can't get Z3TA to respond to aftertouch 2016/01/13 14:27:05 (permalink)
Just adding a couple more details...
 
I know when, or if, my Xkey is sending poly or channel aftertouch because the XKey Plus app lets me choose one or the other. I typically leave it set to poly aftertouch, because I have little need for channel aftertouch. I seek out ios synth apps that support poly aftertouch. From all appearances, it looks like Z3TA+ is supposed to support poly aftertouch and is the reason I spent $20 on it.
 
For trouble shooting sake, if I can hear changes when modulating channel aftertouch, I ought to be able to hear the changes with poly aftertouch (but per key).
 
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Re: Can't get Z3TA to respond to aftertouch 2016/01/13 15:53:43 (permalink)
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Re: Can't get Z3TA to respond to aftertouch 2016/01/13 17:49:39 (permalink)
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