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2013/12/23 15:22:37 (permalink)

Remapping MIDI CC output with plugin or otherwise?

Long story short, got a cool synth along with an Akai EWI wind controller. I want to remap the output of my CC2 (breath) to a different range for this synth. Figure I would use a plugin like the one here: http://thepiz.org/plugins/?p=midiCurve  But I guess Sonar doesn't like VST MIDI effects?
 
After playing around a little bit more, I see that midiCurve is installed as a VSTi... which doesn't seem very useful for me.  If I'm wrong about this, please let me know?
 
Anyone have either a way to use this plugin or another tool out there to do what I'd like?
 
EDIT:  Ended up finding an MFX alternative... not quite as nice, but at least it does the job... http://www.tencrazy.com/gadgets/mfx/
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    Re: Remapping MIDI CC output with plugin or otherwise? 2013/12/23 18:32:23 (permalink)
    I use Sonar’s Process/Find/Change feature to do exactly that.

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    Re: Remapping MIDI CC output with plugin or otherwise? 2013/12/23 23:39:57 (permalink)
    To clarify, I wanted the plugin to remap the input realtime before hitting the synth. The tencrazy MFX plugins ended up working with little fuss, though they're a bit long in the tooth compared to these other VST MIDI plugins I was looking at.
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    Re: Remapping MIDI CC output with plugin or otherwise? 2013/12/24 00:11:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby sklathill 2013/12/26 15:36:52
    I do not know what version of SONAR you are using but I just loaded up the midiCurve VST and it works in X3d Producer 64bit. Here is what I did:
    1) Loaded midiCurve in an audio track FX bin. Even though it scans as a synth, just like any plug-in it can go in an audio FX bin. Might even work if the VST properties are changed from synth to effect but I did not experiment with it. Make sure to enable MIDI output.
    2) Created a MIDI track setting input from keyboard, output to midiCurve
    3) Inserted a synth (I used Audio+MIDI track not an instrument track) set MIDI input to midiCurve.
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    Re: Remapping MIDI CC output with plugin or otherwise? 2013/12/24 12:47:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby sklathill 2013/12/26 15:36:44
    One caveat with VSTis that generate MIDI output that might account for Steve's success, and the OP's failure with midiCurve:
     
    They need to have an audio output in SONAR to be fully functional even if they only generate MIDI output. In the past, there have been some issues with putting VSTis in FX bins, so I recommend inserting it with the "First Synth Audio Output" option, and just hiding that track.

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    Re: Remapping MIDI CC output with plugin or otherwise? 2013/12/24 12:58:01 (permalink)
    Back in the day of Sonar 4, Sonar shipped with Musiclab MIDI FX that did a sort of compressor curve to the keyboard input. I guess this work now it's done by Sonar MFX Velocity, that works in real time.

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    Re: Remapping MIDI CC output with plugin or otherwise? 2013/12/26 15:36:35 (permalink)
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    I do not know what version of SONAR you are using but I just loaded up the midiCurve VST and it works in X3d Producer 64bit. Here is what I did:
    1) Loaded midiCurve in an audio track FX bin. Even though it scans as a synth, just like any plug-in it can go in an audio FX bin. Might even work if the VST properties are changed from synth to effect but I did not experiment with it. Make sure to enable MIDI output.
    2) Created a MIDI track setting input from keyboard, output to midiCurve
    3) Inserted a synth (I used Audio+MIDI track not an instrument track) set MIDI input to midiCurve.


    I'm also on X3d 64, should have mentioned that earlier...

    So... trying things...  let's see...
     
    1) I can put midiCurve in an audiotrack FX bin.
    2) I can create a midi track and have my input be my MIDI keyboard or whatever, and set the output to midiCurve.
    3) I create a MIDI track to drive my softsynth... but I can't set the input of that track to midiCurve. It just doesn't show up as an option.
     
    Attempt 2... this time...
     
    1) I start with midiCurve as a softsynth, creating an audio output and midi track.
    2) With this as opposed to the earlier attempt, I can choose midiCurve as an input for my MIDI track to drive softsynth.
    3) I set the input echo on my midiCurve MIDI track to on.
    4) Record enable on MIDI track driving softsynth. (input echo doesn't not need to be on here)
    5) IT WORKS!
     
    Okay... so slightly clunky and it takes up some space I'd rather it not, but hey. I seem to be getting these VST MIDI effects to work. Thank you. :)
     
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    Re: Remapping MIDI CC output with plugin or otherwise? 2013/12/26 15:48:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby sklathill 2013/12/26 16:03:08
    The first attempt probably failed because the plug-in has "enable MIDI output" off. If the plug-in is configured as a synth, when added to the FX bin, the plug-in is also added to the synth rack. Right-click on the synth rack entry to "enable MIDI output".
     
    When inserted as a synth, the "enable MIDI output" is probably set on by default. This is why the second attempt succeeded.
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    Re: Remapping MIDI CC output with plugin or otherwise? 2013/12/26 16:13:43 (permalink)
    Yep, I had to enable MIDI output. Thank you.
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